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Updated Top 25 (and one)

Posted on: March 7, 2010 10:48 pm

The Top 25 (and one) will be updated on the college basketball page shortly.

Here's how it will look ...
  1. Kansas (29-2)
  2. Kentucky (29-2)
  3. Syracuse (28-3)
  4. Duke (26-5)
  5. West Virginia (24-6)
  6. Ohio State (24-7)
  7. Villanova (24-6)
  8. Kansas State (24-6)
  9. New Mexico (28-3)
  10. Michigan State (23-7)
  11. Purdue (26-4)
  12. Wisconsin (23-7)
  13. Temple (26-5)
  14. Pittsburgh (24-7)
  15. Vanderbilt (23-7)
  16. Tennessee (23-7)
  17. Baylor (24-6)
  18. Texas A&M (22-8)
  19. Maryland (23-7)
  20. Gonzaga (26-5)
  21. Georgetown (20-9)
  22. Butler (27-4)
  23. Texas (23-8)
  24. BYU (28-4)
  25. UTEP (24-5)
  26. Xavier (23-7)
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Since: Oct 8, 2009
Posted on: March 18, 2010 9:35 pm

Updated Top 25 (and one)

I agree. NIU played great defense all year long, good enough to be on SI

Since: Oct 20, 2006
Posted on: March 9, 2010 11:57 am

Updated Top 25 (and one)

Duh, Vandy lost to Western Kentucky and Georgia, and they lost to S. Carolina and Cincinnati at home.

Since: Feb 21, 2008
Posted on: March 8, 2010 10:00 pm

Updated Top 25 (and one)

Duh, Vandy beat UT twice. Vandy also beat Florida on the road, Florida killed TN.  

Since: Apr 30, 2008
Posted on: March 8, 2010 2:25 pm

Updated Top 25 (and one)

I think Syracuse is in...they have done enough..if they lose they will still only have 4 losses...less than both WVU and Duke.  I think we deserve to jump Duke if we both win out.

Since: Nov 30, 2007
Posted on: March 8, 2010 12:22 pm

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Gary, I am a fan of your work, however, I would have to say I am not sure I agree with the reasoning of Vanderbilt and Tennessee.  Vandy lost to a horrible team in South Carolina and Tenn won at Miss State.  Seems like Vandy should drop and Tenn should move up.  Head to head can not always be taken as a ranking methodology because Duke lost hed to head with Georgetown and Wisconsin but it does make sense to rank them ahead of the other.  If tomorrow Vandy loses to Auburn and Tenn beats Auburn, their record will still be similar and Vandy would still have swept them - would you still keep them at the same place?

Since: Nov 30, 2007
Posted on: March 8, 2010 12:17 pm

Updated Top 25 (and one)

Since: Oct 20, 2006
Posted on: March 8, 2010 11:47 am

Updated Top 25 (and one)

Let's take the question one step farther.  What if Syracuse loses their first or second game in the BE tourney, and Duke and WVU win their tournaments?  Do both Duke and WVU get a #1, and Cuse drops to a #2?

Since: Oct 20, 2006
Posted on: March 8, 2010 11:37 am

Updated Top 25 (and one)

Very good question, Jimmie.  My only complaint with the poll is why is Purdue ranked #11?  Are they being penalized because their (arguably) best player is out for the tournament?  They should be 8 or 9.  The reason Duke didn't drop and K-State did? Easy. Duke lost a nailbiter to a top-20-25 team on the road in their home finale.  K-State lost a home game to a team not good enough to be in the NIT.

Since: Apr 30, 2008
Posted on: March 8, 2010 10:15 am

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Shadius, You have also got to realize that as the tourney approaches, the talk of the 4 #1 seeds heats up.  So the polls start to align themselves with the 4 #1s.  Duke is widely talked about taking the 4th Gary has got to get his poll(which by the way fluctuates much more than the pollsters polls based on week to week is really more of a power ranking at times than a poll.) looking like the tourney seeds.
My question is this, if WVU wins the Big East and Duke the ACC, who gets the 4th spot...especially if WVU bets Syracuse in the final and it is a close game??

Since: Jan 12, 2010
Posted on: March 8, 2010 3:20 am

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Except that HoyaParanoia07 didn't explain anything at all relative to your last bracket.

My point wasn't that KState dropped more than Duke, my point was that DUKE DID NOT DROP. They gained a place in the rankings after losing this week, after teams that were behind them DID NOT LOSE.

At this point in the season teams resumes are very well established, but none of what you said about my comment answers the question, why did a WVU team that won games deserve to jump teams that didn't lose games?

As for Tenn and Vandy, you again missed the point, the point is they were 15 and 16 in Gary's poll last week, This week they are 15 and 16. Vandy lost last week, Tenn didn't. The point is, it doesn't seem to matter in the slightest to Gary what happened last week to Vandy(a terrible loss at home to South Carolina), he still has them in the exact same spot while teams behind them didn't lose.

So the ultimate thing is, 2 bad losses drop KState 4 places(only one of which is bad), one alright loss actually raises Duke up 1 slot, One loss to WVU holds Nova steady because of not wanting to raise OSU higher(it seems), and one bad loss does nothing to Vandy at all, and two good wins vault WVU a huge number of spots.

I'm not arguing that these aren't the correct positions for these teams, I'm arguing that based on Gary's poll from last week, that his poll this week makes absolutely no sense, its as if he just picked new places for his top 25 and completely ignores what he thought about everyone last week despite at this point in the season having a huge sample size so one would expect losses to be the only thing that really moves people up and down the polls.

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