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Tuesday morning's Gettin' In

Posted on: March 9, 2010 12:36 am
Edited on: March 9, 2010 12:39 am
 

Fairfield blew a nice lead.

Saint Mary's did not.

Here's Tuesday morning's Gettin' In.

Teams that punched tickets Monday: Old Dominion, Siena, Saint Mary's and Wofford each earned an automatic bid to the NCAA tournament on Monday. That means nine of the 65 spots in the field are claimed.

Best game:
Fairfield was up 13 with less than 18 to play Monday night, and bubble-watchers everywhere were debating whether Siena could get an at-large bid after the sure-to-come loss in the MAAC tournament title game. My opinion: No, the Saints probably wouldn't have received an at-large bid given that they own zero top 50 victories. But guess what? It doesn't matter now because the Saints stormed back, forced overtime and recorded a 72-65 victory that made them the MAAC's automatic qualifier. Now they'll sit back and wait for the selection committee to give them a No. 12 seed, then we'll all pick them to beat some No. 5 seed.

Team whose dream remained alive: North Texas was nearly upset in the Sun Belt quarterfinals, but the Mean Green easily handled Denver in Monday's semifinals. The 63-56 victory will allow them to take a 10-game winning streak into Tuesday's title game.

Team whose dream was crushed: Western Kentucky fell behind by 16 points late in the first half and only scored 48 in the game, so it shouldn't come as a surprise that the Hilltoppers lost Monday in the semifinals of the Sun Belt tournament. What's surprising is that they had a chance to win, and that they actually led 48-47 with less than four minutes remaining. WKU seemed in control. But Troy countered with a 7-0 run, won 54-48 and ensured WKU's NCAA tournament streak will stop at two.

Performance I hope you witnessed: The West Coast Conference was probably going to be a two-bid league regardless, but Mickey McConnell ensured as much with a 26-point effort that keyed Saint Mary's 81-62 victory over Gonzaga in Monday's WCC tournament title game. McConnell hit 10 of 17 shots -- including four of seven 3-point attempts -- and helped the Gaels prevent Gonzaga from winning this event for the 11th time in 13 seasons.

Performance I hope you missed: David Schneider hit a big shot to lift William & Mary to the title game of the Colonial tournament, but missed pretty much every shot in said title game. He was 2-of-13 from the field in Monday's 60-53 loss to Old Dominion, 3-of-22 from the field in his past two games.

Three random notes

1. The Big East tournament starts Tuesday with four games. If you're a fan of a bubble team, you should root for St. John's to beat Connecticut, for DePaul to beat South Florida, and for Providence to beat Seton Hall.

2. The Horizon League title game is Tuesday night at Hinkle Fieldhouse. If you're a fan of a bubble team, you should root for Butler to beat Wright State because the alternative outcome would turn the Horizon into a two-bid league, which would effectively shrink the field by one.

3.
The Oregonian newspaper reported late Monday that P.J. Carlesimo is a serious candidate to replace Ernie Kent at Oregon. Kent is expected to be officially fired at the conclusion of the Pac-10 tournament.

Final thought: Nothing in the Top 25 (and one) got folks fired up like Purdue down at No. 11.

But I don't understand the argument.

I mean, where do you think Purdue belongs?

No question, the Boilermakers were on their way to the No.1  seed in the NCAA tournament three weeks ago. But everything changed when Robbie Hummel tore his ACL, and this clearly isn't the same team. They looked average in a home loss to Michigan State, then backed that with a couple of wins over bad Big Ten teams, and I honestly think placing Purdue 11th is pretty darn generous.

It's unfortunate, but the fact remains that Hummel is gone.

So we'll never know what the Boilermakers might've otherwise been.

But I think I know what they are right now.

And that's something slightly less than a top 10 team.
Comments

Since: Feb 28, 2008
Posted on: March 11, 2010 6:55 pm
 

Tuesday morning's Gettin' In

Dear ,

I understood your argument and his reply and yes I did read them both.  I'll agree Parrish's logic needs some work (as it often does).  That said, if you lose your best player you should be penalized in the polls until you can prove that you are the same team without them (which no team is).  Ohio State should have been penalized, Wisconsin should have been, Mi State should have been and Purdue should be.  His logic is stupid, as is yours.  Therefore you both deserve to be called idiots.  The "body of work" argument was conceived by some homer so that his team would not get penalized, it is a stupid argument. 

Rankings should be based on what the team is now, that is why they are done every week.  If they are not the #1 team right now they should not be ranked #1 period (and that goes for #2 through #25+1).  Otherwise the #1 team cannot say they are the best team in the nation (they could say that they were the best tem in the nation).

"Other points of view do exist, and may actually have some substance to them."  Or not.



Since: Mar 22, 2009
Posted on: March 10, 2010 10:27 pm
 

Tuesday morning's Gettin' In

Burlgolf,

If Purdue had won one of the ugliest games of all time against Michigan State after Hummel went down, would you have dropped the Boilers in your poll? 

(delete rest of post, because I might as well argue with Gary)

Like I told Gary, If I am wrong, I will tell you, but not until it happens.



Since: Mar 11, 2009
Posted on: March 10, 2010 10:48 am
 

Tuesday morning's Gettin' In

Dear PBAlum94 from PB alum 92,
Is Purdue the same team with Hummel as they now are without Hummel?  If the answer is 'No' then why should Purdue be ranked the same with and without Hummel?  That doesn't make any sense.  Why should Gary wait to drop them in the rankings.

If anything, Gary deserves a medal for bucking the trend of keeping Purdue at the 5 or 6 spot they currently hold in the Coaches and AP polls.

Imagine if Purdue's only senior at the end of the year was Hummel.  At the beginning of next season would you rank them differently based on players that have left the team.  Or would you say, "I'm not changing their ranking until I see them play.  And even if they struggle to win games I'm going to keep them at the same spot in the rankings because they're winning.  Even if they're not scoring as many points or winning by as comfortable a margin as before I'm still going to rank them the same."?  I find it so hard to believe that you would say yes to that question.

Having said all that...Go Boilers!



Since: Mar 22, 2009
Posted on: March 9, 2010 8:54 pm
 

Tuesday morning's Gettin' In

A little over a year ago I read an article written by Clark Judge that was titled and written to say, Purdue, you have NO CHANCE of beating Washington.  That fired me up to get a username, and guess what, Purdue beat Washington.  Since then, I have learned that Judge is an NFL "expert", and shouldn't have been writing about college basketball in the first place. 

Gary Parrish has on at least two occasions this season "fired up", not just me, but apparently quite a few Boiler fans.  Should you be writing for the NFL Gary?  Do Duke, Kansas, or Georgetown fans attack your polls when you drop them after a loss? 

Let's face it, when Hummel went down, your life "got a lot easier", because they were right in the thick of being an "elite" team, with a "body of work" that rivalled any team in the country, and if Hummel hadn't gone down, you would have been put in a position of either putting Purdue up to 1 or 2, or just staying "stubborn". 

Like has already been said, but is quite worthy of repeating, Gary, couldn't you have waited until Purdue actually earned a 10 or 11 before you disrespected the entire team and coach and put them where you thought they should, or would, be?

If Purdue loses their next two games, I will tell you that you were right, but I think I'll wait till it happens.



Since: Nov 2, 2009
Posted on: March 9, 2010 6:41 pm
 

Tuesday morning's Gettin' In

PITTSBURGH,

OSU fans are terrible supporters of the basketball team.  Columbus is a big enough city, and the support for OSU football is tremendous, so it is very odd that people don't support the basketball team better.  My family has had season tickets since the 1970s - to football and basketball, and we always go to the games.  We don't stop supporting the team during bad seasons and we don't support the team less or more depending on media hype.  I wish I could say the same about the general "fan" of OSU sports.  In fact, I don't consider anyone who doesn't cheer for OSU bball a true OSU fan.  It's ridiculous how many dumb Columbus people try to say they are huge OSU football fans, but they like Duke in basketball... or some other team.

Some people made the trip to Dayton, but unfortunately, OSU only had an 8 seed last year.  Therefore, the general "fans" were not too high on the Bucks at that moment in time.  It's a weird dynamic b/c they always get 100,000+ in the stadiums for football, and Buckeyes fans travel better than anyone to BCS bowl games -- not only NC games... all BCS games -- even if the football team has disappointed the masses w/ 1 or 2 losses on the season.

It's very weird.  Most people in Columbus are actually more excited about next year's team than this year's team.  The reason?  The national media has annointed our recruiting class for 2010 as the #2 class in the nation... #1 in some circles.  Meanwhile, I predicted OSU to win the Big 10 before this year started, and while I am excited about next year, I have also been very excited about this year's greatness.  Of course, I would watch every game even if we were terrible, like we were in the mid-90s during Ayers' last few seasons.



Since: Oct 10, 2008
Posted on: March 9, 2010 4:33 pm
 

Tuesday morning's Gettin' In

LegendLarry wrote......
Your ranking is based purely on speculation.  Your only grounds for this is based on knowing a player is out and having no idea how this team will perform in the absence and aftermath of the Hummel injury
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Speculation is probably the worse thing the media or sports writers do. It's like they know what the future will bring. In the case of any injury, it does take most teams a game or two to get their game back on track. It just happened to be that MSU was Purdues next opponent.

I always considered Purdue this season as an elite team, as I do Kansas, Syracuse, Kentucky, etc, etc. What makes up an elite team? It does take more than just one player. It takes a starting line-up, a descent bench, and good coaching. Purdue has all three. Even with Hummel's injury, I believe they still have a good team. No need to punish them for future speculation.

I took my thinking about a player getting an injury by thinking of my team, Kansas. I wonder what type of speculation the AP and coaches polls would have if KU lost one of there top players. Would they assume they weren't the same team? I think that it would not effect them that much at all, if any. They would just go to their bench and reload. So I can understand why the Purdue fans would be upset over this.

When fans speculate, it's there job. A fan has to stand up for there team no matter what. It makes for good commenting, no matter if a fan is right or wrong. This what makes a fan, a true fan. When the AP polls, coaches, media and sports writers do it (like in this case) now that's pathetic, because they are punishing a team without really knowing.

Go Jayhawks!
Go Big12!
Rock Chalk Jayhawks! KaaaaaUuuuu.........



Since: Jun 18, 2009
Posted on: March 9, 2010 3:46 pm
 

Tuesday morning's Gettin' In

bmercer1-

The series is most definitely canceled.  Matta wanted Greg Oden to be able to play in front of his hometown Indianapolis, but he left for the NBA before that ever happened.  For whatever reason a 4-year deal was made, maybe just as a gift to Butler, but that's what happened.  There was a column about it in the Indianapolis newspaper, but I can't find it at the moment.

That was A.J. Graves who hit that 3 from the corner right before the half, though, not Mack.  That shot definitely changed the entire game.  Had that not fallen I'm not sure the Bulldogs ever would have recovered like they did in the second half.  Being down as many as 14 and going 1-of-15 from beyond the arc in the first was about as ugly as it could get, but Matt Howard opened things up for the outside shooters and OSU got a bit careless with the ball, resulting in quite a few points off of turnovers.  One of my favorite games as a Butler fan, for sure.

The series being canceled really is too bad.  It was a game I always looked forward to and one that has the potential to really only help out both clubs.



Since: May 24, 2007
Posted on: March 9, 2010 3:10 pm
 

Tuesday morning's Gettin' In: The Tarheels?

Aside from winning the ACC Tourney (less then a long shot) to get into the NCAA tourney.  Do the Tarheels even qualify for an NIT invite?  My general sense is no and their seson ends on Thursday or Friday this week.  

Dang what a rough season.  Now I know what it feels like to for the rest of you NCAA basketball fans.  ;-)



Since: Dec 9, 2008
Posted on: March 9, 2010 2:53 pm
 

Tuesday morning's Gettin' In

That's fine if they won't beat them, but they haven't lost.  Your ranking is based purely on speculation.  Your only grounds for this is based on knowing a player is out and having no idea how this team will perform in the absence and aftermath of the Hummel injury.  Until they lose, they have done nothing to deserve a drop based on their on the court play.  When they lose you can go gloat about how awesome you were in your premature hate, but in the end all you are doing is hating without any means to.  Their team just lost one of their leaders and fans are trying to at least find some salvation in their season and all you want to do is boost your ego by rubbing it in their faces.  Congrats.



Since: Sep 22, 2006
Posted on: March 9, 2010 2:52 pm
 

Tuesday morning's Gettin' In

Dear hybop:

You're an idiot if you cannot read and comprehend.  He explained it as "Purdue just isn't the same team."  I get that; doh. 

The issue, for those with reading skills, is that his argument is inconsistent.  Go back and read the files; he argued against dropping Ohio State just because Turner was out; he (and almost everyone else) warned against penalizing the Buckeyes prematurely.

A column or two earlier, he defended Texas--which just lost its PG to injury (and he's NOT back or coming back, btw)--based upon their "body of work."  If you look at Texas over the last four games, since they lost Balbey, they're 2-2 and not playing very well.  If you look at Purdue since they lost Hummel, they're 2-1 and playing decently.  So why does Purdue get a penalty based on the notion that they WILL BE worse in future without Hummel?  Why not just wait until they lose?  It's not like this is the actual tournament, where he faces the Kenyon Martin dilemma, after all.

So, first, read; second, stop calling people idiots, ya idiot.  Other points of view do exist, and may actually have some substance to them.


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