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Report: Pac-10 targeting six Big 12 schools

Posted on: June 3, 2010 3:51 pm
 

The Pac-10 is prepared to offer six Big 12 schools -- Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado -- invitations to join its league, Chip Brown of OrangeBloods.com reported Thursday afternoon.

OrangeBloods.com is a site devoted to covering Texas athletics.

According to the report, the Pac-10 would place the six Big 12 schools in a division with Arizona and Arizona State, leaving UCLA, Southern California, Stanford, California, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State to form the other division. The report states that the Pac-10 -- possibly under a new name -- would then create its own television network that could lead to annual payouts of around $20 million to each of the 16 members.

What's unclear is whether the Big 12 schools would accept a presumed offer.
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Since: Aug 5, 2008
Posted on: June 6, 2010 1:52 pm
 

Report: Pac-10 targeting six Big 12 schools

LawDog, you're going to extremes to prove the "top to bottom" theory, but nobody with their weight in spit cares about top to bottom.

The cream of the crop defines a conference's academics and the Pac-10 has it and the Big 10 doesn't.

Your average ranking per conference is worthless. 

Everyone can twist the rankings all they want

The smell test shows that the Pac-10 has more schools that are very difficult to get into and that people in general are truly impressed when they find out someone as accepted and graduated from. 

Bottom line: The value the top institutions bring to the overall value of the conference is greater than a bunch of average schools.

Perception is reality and the weighted average of perception in this argument is that the Pac-10 is the clear winner.

I'm sorry, but this post is laughable on so many levels. I am going to extremes, when you simply decide to get rid of those "mediocre" schools in the ACC and Bog-10 because it fits you argument? You decide to just ignore half the PAC-10 that are very low in the rankings (the bottom 5 of the PAC-10 would all be below all the bottom schools of the ACC and Big-10 ... think through that ... your "top" conference has half its schools rated below all 11/12 of the other two conferences' schools ... no wonder you need to ignore them to make the PAC-10 the "clear winner.") Who is it that is relying on that wonderfully objective "smell test" to support their argument? Now, who's going to extremes? Who's twisting the rankings? That's right, not me.

I'll give you Stanford being a top school that would make someone impressed. But same goes with Northwestern, Duke, and Vanderbilt.  Once you get past the top schools like that, there isn't that much difference between 25-60 (and none of them are "average" schools, as you put it) and the Big-10 and ACC mops up the PAC-10 there. If you don't think poeple are equally impressed with UVa, UNC, Wake, Purdue, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Illinois as they are with Cal, USC, UCLA and Washington, then your West Coast bias, and East Coast ignorance is showing through, and you need to get out a little bit more and see how the rest of the country works.

In fact, I have a feeling you've never been out of the West and don't understand the value that a businesmen like me place on UVa, UNC, Wake, Michigan, etc. grads. I assure you that if I am interviewing someone from UCLA or USC or Washington, I am not going to say, "oh, I better take them over a UVa or UNC grad, because they went to USC or UCLA." That's just not going to happen.

The weighted average ... why don't you run the math on that and tell me what you mean. I have a feeling you don't even know what a weighted average is, and certainly wouldn't know how to apply it here. I'd also like a site to show me that PAC-10 wins the "unweighted" rankings, too. I'll wait, go ahead.

As I said before, I am not denying the PAC-10 has some fine schools ... the top 5 are all fine schools. But to say the PAC-10 "is the clear winner" is delusional at best. Simply ignoring the numbers I posted because they don't support your argument is disingenuous.





Since: Mar 13, 2007
Posted on: June 6, 2010 12:31 am
 

Report: Pac-10 targeting six Big 12 schools

Wait...the PAC 10 smells different than other conferences?? Laughing



Since: Jan 25, 2008
Posted on: June 5, 2010 2:40 pm
 

Report: Pac-10 targeting six Big 12 schools

LawDog, you're going to extremes to prove the "top to bottom" theory, but nobody with their weight in spit cares about top to bottom. The reason the Pac-10 is getting the majority of the hype here on this thread is people don't care that Oregon State and Washington State are in the Pac-10 and drag it down. In a perfect world, those schools would be replaced by some of the other better academic institutions on the west coast but they don't have the athletic programs... so the OSUs and WSUs are there for scheduling purposes and benefit from the academic reputation ride that the top schools provide. 

The cream of the crop defines a conference's academics and the Pac-10 has it and the Big 10 doesn't. There is huge difference between the top schools and the middle schools, but little difference between the middle schools and the bottom schools across all conferences. Your average ranking per conference is worthless. 

Everyone can twist the rankings all they want (and there are plenty of them out there to prove the Pac-10 wins the top to bottom unweighted test too)... but if you simply just look at acceptance rates and the "smell test", then you realize there is no longer an argument. The smell test shows that the Pac-10 has more schools that are very difficult to get into and that people in general are truly impressed when they find out someone as accepted and graduated from. 

Bottom line: The value the top institutions bring to the overall value of the conference is greater than a bunch of average schools. Perception is reality and the weighted average of perception in this argument is that the Pac-10 is the clear winner.

Besides... let us have the Pac-10 is the best academic conference title, because we were clearly the worst in football and basketball this past year.

Nerds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Since: Dec 29, 2006
Posted on: June 5, 2010 1:50 pm
 

Report: Pac-10 targeting six Big 12 schools

No comment, but a serious question. I read A&M not particularly enthused with the plan. If they balk, does TCU become an option?
Does anyone know anything or has heard anything about if A balks, B or C is a possibility? On the surface, this merger makes a lot of sense.



Since: Aug 5, 2008
Posted on: June 5, 2010 1:21 am
 

Report: Pac-10 targeting six Big 12 schools

Stop looking at US News and World Report for academic rankings.  They do not measure what is really important.  They only attempt to measure undergraduate education. They even give points for having small class size! They are famously gamed by early admissions and other tricks by smaller private colleges.
Not to beat a dead horse, but the US News numbers are about as good as you are going to get for ranking undergraduate schools. Sure they are gamed, and the whole subject has a fair amount of subjectivity. But, the last I checked, undergrad education is what everyone here is talking about. People here haven't been discussing who has the best Vet school, who has the best Mining school ... we've been talking about the quality of undergrad programs in general.

As for money talks, the SEC and Big-10 agree with you ... money does talk, and they have lots of it. PAC-10 is still playing catch-up there.

Finally, because I evidently have time to waste, I went to your world rankings, and the Big-10 wins big time, with the ACC second in my mind because of more depth, with the PAC-10 3rd because of the lack of depth. Here are the numbers from the US News Top 400 World Rankings:

** It may seem that I am dumping on the PAC-10 ... that is not my intent ... there are obviously very good schools in the PAC-10. It's just the numerous posts here along the lines of "Big-10 better than the PAC-10 in academics - your an idiot" posts. The numbers for both undergrad and world rankings show that the Big-10 and ACC are better overall conferences academically.

Big-10 (all 11 schools in top 400 ... solid as a rock, just as in the undergrad rankings)
Michigan     19
Northwestern     32
Wisconsin     61
Illinois     63
Purdue     87
Minnesota     105
Penn State     120
Ohio State     129
Indiana     193
Michigan St     222
Iowa     225

ACC (11 of 12 schools in top 400 ... missing Clemson Junior College)
Duke      14
UNC     78
GaTech     86
Maryland     122
Virginia      128
Wake     237
Miami     244
NC State     269
Va Tech     311
Boston Coll     343
FSU     371


PAC-10 (8 of 10 schools in top 400 - Oregon schools not showing up)
Standford      16
UCLA     32
Cal     39
Washington     80
USC     112
Arizona     166
Arizona St.     309
Wash State     366

SEC (Vandy seems very low, but I'm biased)
Vanderbilt     140
Florida     201
Alabama     337
Georgia     368
Tenn     380

Big-12
Texas     76
Texas A&M     179
Iowa St.     330








Since: Sep 29, 2008
Posted on: June 5, 2010 12:33 am
 

Report: Pac-10 targeting six Big 12 schools

huh?<br />




Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: June 4, 2010 11:09 pm
 

Report: Pac-10 targeting six Big 12 schools

What gives you the idea that Stanford wouldn't accept Texas...it was the other way around, UT and A&M rejected joining the Pac-10.No, it wasn't. Stanford objected in 1993. The story's clearly spelled out by the San Antonio Express-News. http://www.mysan
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Since: Jan 17, 2007
Posted on: June 4, 2010 11:03 pm
 

Report: Pac-10 targeting six Big 12 schools

Cool Beans: Okla State would be a "weak" addition???  Do you realize that they have more NCAA championships than any other Big-12 school?  And more than any Pac-10 school not located in Los Angeles.



Since: Jan 17, 2007
Posted on: June 4, 2010 10:59 pm
 

Report: Pac-10 targeting six Big 12 schools

What gives you the idea that Stanford wouldn't accept Texas...it was the other way around, UT and A&M rejected joining the Pac-10.



Since: Jan 17, 2007
Posted on: June 4, 2010 10:58 pm
 

Report: Pac-10 targeting six Big 12 schools

BaseFan: Why would you worry about sexual assault from Okies???  One of your teams is the Trojans, surely they supply all the condoms you need!!


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