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Report: Pac-10 targeting six Big 12 schools

Posted on: June 3, 2010 3:51 pm
 

The Pac-10 is prepared to offer six Big 12 schools -- Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado -- invitations to join its league, Chip Brown of OrangeBloods.com reported Thursday afternoon.

OrangeBloods.com is a site devoted to covering Texas athletics.

According to the report, the Pac-10 would place the six Big 12 schools in a division with Arizona and Arizona State, leaving UCLA, Southern California, Stanford, California, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State to form the other division. The report states that the Pac-10 -- possibly under a new name -- would then create its own television network that could lead to annual payouts of around $20 million to each of the 16 members.

What's unclear is whether the Big 12 schools would accept a presumed offer.
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Since: Nov 11, 2009
Posted on: June 4, 2010 5:40 pm
 

Report: Pac-10 targeting six Big 12 schools

"Saying the Big Ten has better academics than the Pac 10 is a stretch. The land-grant institutions (WSU, OSU, ASU) in the Pac 10 are not as prestigous as the Flagships in the Big Ten, but there is no combination in the Big Ten that can touch the Big Four(UCLA, Southern Cal, Standford, and Cal). When asked to pick between associating with Standford or Northwestern (or whichever you deem the best academic institution in the Big Ten) 9 out of 10 would pick Standford. Texas would also benefit from joining the Pac Ten by gaining more access to California (students, and industries)."

Three letters CIC. The Big-10 has it and the Pac-10 has nothing like it. And if OK OkSt, Texas Tech join, it seems obvious the best schools in the Pac-10 will not push to make a CIC clone.

This is about big research money. Texas and Texas A&M, in deciding to make a move West will walk away from joining the CIC. If you care to do the research, look up what happened to Penn Sate's academics and research money after joing the Big-10 and the CIC.

"When asked to pick between associating with Standford or Northwestern (or whichever you deem the best academic institution in the Big Ten) 9 out of 10 would pick Standford."

The problem with choosing to associate with Standford or "the best institution in the Big Ten" (of which there are several choices) is that Standford will always and forever choose not to be associated with you. The CIC is proof of how the Big-10 works for all of its members and is one explanation why the schools are academically strong top to bottom.

It will be very interesting to see the choice Texas makes.



Since: Nov 11, 2009
Posted on: June 4, 2010 5:23 pm
 

Report: Pac-10 targeting six Big 12 schools

"Better academics in the Big Ten than in the Pac 10? Are you freaking kidding me?

Stanford, USC, UCLA, Cal...I'll take that over Northwestern, Michigan, Purdue, and Illinois. Good God man."

You left out:
pac-10: Washington, maybe Arizona
big-10: Wisconsin, Minnesota, Ohio State, Penn State and more (really everyone else)
All Big 10 schools are all AAU. Not so for Pac-10. All Big 10 schools are ranked highly in the ARWU for research universities. Oregon, OSU, WSU are nowhere near the same academic league. ASU is shaky.
Don't get me wrong, The PAC-10 has some great universities at the very top of the list, but top to bottom the academics/research in the Big-10 is clearly better.




Since: Apr 29, 2010
Posted on: June 4, 2010 5:19 pm
 

Report: Pac-10 targeting six Big 12 schools

Stop looking at US News and World Report for academic rankings.  They do not measure what is really important.  They only attempt to measure undergraduate education. They even give points for having small class size! They are famously gamed by early admissions and other tricks by smaller private colleges.  It's fantastic if we want to look at small liberal arts colleges.  What conferences want is not prestige from having little classes and professors neglecting research to cater to the undergrads.  They want huge student bodies, huge alumni bases, consequential research, huge research grants.  If one wants rankings of universities, not undergraduate programs, you could look at the world rankings, Pac 10 and Big 10 dominate, Pac 10 exceptional on top.  Or one could just look at total research spending (money talks).  When you look at these measures the Pac 10 and the Big 10 are clearly on another level from the other conferences. Top 40 research dollars for football schools in '06 -

2Wisc, 3Ucla, 4UMich, 6Wash, 8Stan, 10Duke, 11Ohio St, 13Minn, 15PSU, 16UF, 18Cal, 19Ariz, 20 Pitt, 22A&M, 23Illini, 24Baylor, 28USC, 30 UNC, 31GT, 32Texas, 33NW, 34Mary, 35Vandy, 36 Purdue, 40 Mich St.




Since: Nov 23, 2008
Posted on: June 4, 2010 5:14 pm
 

Report: Pac-10 targeting six Big 12 schools

Someone PLEASE expalin to me why the Big 12 is in all these rumors?  Why would Texas and OK etc... want to destroy the Big 12?  They have been a powerhouse conference in football and damn good in basketball. 

If anything, I would think the Big 10 would look at grabbing the top of Conference USA and the Pac 10 would grab the best of the WAC MWC.

Does the Big 10 and PAC 10 really have that much more money to offer the big teams of the Big 12?  I do not understand why they would let the Big 12 fall apart.
Its because expansion is all about the money. Tell me which C-USA/WAC/MWC team will add huge revenue to the Pac-10 or Big Ten. No school in the discussion would bring the amount of money that a Texas, Oklahoma, or Notre Dame would bring. And if Texas and Oklahoma leave then so does Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, and Texas Tech.



Since: Aug 5, 2008
Posted on: June 4, 2010 5:09 pm
 

Report: Pac-10 targeting six Big 12 schools

Better academics in the Big Ten vs. the Pac 10?  Are you kidding me? Have you heard of Stanford, UC-Berkley (that's Cal by the way) and University of Washington?  Not to mention USC and UCLA.  That is the biggest joke I have ever heard of!!
I kid you not. You are living proof of why the PAC-10 is the third best conference academically ... you go to Oregon or went to Oregon (based on your avatar) and your school along with the other 4 bottom dweller, 3 figure ranked PAC-10 schools just suck the academic life right out of the PAC-10. When they start getting people smarter than you to enroll, perhaps Oregon can help pull some of the academic load now being handled by the California schools.

By the way, if you just look at the post right above yours, you will see why the ACC and Big-10 are academically superior to the PAC-10.



Since: Oct 18, 2006
Posted on: June 4, 2010 4:49 pm
 

Report: Pac-10 targeting six Big 12 schools

Someone PLEASE expalin to me why the Big 12 is in all these rumors?  Why would Texas and OK etc... want to destroy the Big 12?  They have been a powerhouse conference in football and damn good in basketball. 

If anything, I would think the Big 10 would look at grabbing the top of Conference USA and the Pac 10 would grab the best of the WAC MWC.

Does the Big 10 and PAC 10 really have that much more money to offer the big teams of the Big 12?  I do not understand why they would let the Big 12 fall apart.



Since: May 16, 2009
Posted on: June 4, 2010 3:54 pm
 

Report: Pac-10 targeting six Big 12 schools

Wow, are you kidding me?  Better academics in the Big Ten????  Have you heard of Stanford, UC Berkley (that's Cal by the way) and University of Washington?  Unbelievable, bud.  Not to mention USC and UCLA. 



Since: May 16, 2009
Posted on: June 4, 2010 3:50 pm
 

Report: Pac-10 targeting six Big 12 schools

Better academics in the Big Ten vs. the Pac 10?  Are you kidding me? Have you heard of Stanford, UC-Berkley (that's Cal by the way) and University of Washington?  Not to mention USC and UCLA.  That is the biggest joke I have ever heard of!!



Since: Aug 5, 2008
Posted on: June 4, 2010 2:40 pm
 

Report: Pac-10 targeting six Big 12 schools

Big 10 better academics than the Pac-10??? Thats laughable bud, Pac-10 is far superior and its not even close from top to bottom. I will give you Michigan and Northwestern as top academic institutions but if those are the top two they dont even come close to the Pac-10 top two in Stanford and Cal.
You are right that it's not close from top to bottom ... the ACC and Big-10 cream the PAC-10 from top to bottom because the PAC-10 bottom is so bad. Please note that half the PAC-10 would be THE bottom 5 in the ACC and Big-10. As to the top 4, yes PAC-10 wins, but not by much against the ACC:

PAC-10 - 4,21,25,27
ACC - 8, 23, 28, 30

Those differences are insignificant in my mind.

Big-10 is just solid as hell in the middle ... with 9 schools ranked between 35 and 71, none lower than that.

Sorry, but unless you want to arbitrarily decide that we only look at the top 4 schools in each league, the 5 bottom teams in the PAC-10 kill the conference in a top to BOTTOM comparison.

Duke    8
UVa    23
Wake    28
UNC    30
BC    34
Boston College    35
Miami    51
Maryland    53
Clemson    61
Virginia Tech    71
NC State    83
FSU    102
    579
    48.25


Big10    Rank
Northwestern    12
Michigan    26
Wisconsin    35
Illinois    40
Penn State    47
Ohio State    56
Minnesota    61
Iowa    66
Purdue    66
Indiana    71
Michigan State    71
    551
    50.1

PAC10    Rank
Stanford    4
Cal    21
UCLA    25
USC    27
Washington    41
Arizona    96
Oregon    108
Washington State    116
Arizona State    121
Oregon State    150
    709
    70.9



Since: Apr 6, 2009
Posted on: June 4, 2010 2:25 pm
 

Nebraska is the Key

Expansion is way more likely than you think. This guy thinks to the dominoes tumbling...


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