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Expand-O-Meter, Thursday June 17

Posted on: June 17, 2010 11:15 pm
Edited on: June 17, 2010 11:47 pm
 

Days college athletics has been held hostage (since Big Ten announced expansion exploration on Dec. 15): 184

Had a good Thursday:
The press conference on the Utah campus to announce a move from the Mountain West to the Pac-10 doubled as a celebration for the school's true BCS-busting moment. Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott attended along with Rose Bowl representatives. They explained that Utah will become the Pac-10's 12th member in 2011, which will forever be known as the year the Utes went from hanging with the have-nots to being one of the haves.

Had a bad Thursday: What began as a promising day for Central Florida and Memphis turned into more frustration for their fans as the Big East officially denied an Orlando TV report that claimed it's "highly likely" UCF and Memphis will be invited to the Big East in the next two weeks. Does that mean expansion is over? No. Does that mean UCF and Memphis won't get invitations at some point? No. But fans of the C-USA schools have been waiting for their Utah-to-the-Pac-10 moment for some time, particularly Memphis fans, and Thursday was another day that good news didn't come.

Quote of the day: "When you compete for championships in the Pac-10, you compete for national championships." -- Utah athletic director Chris Hill, who has watched his Utes go undefeated twice in the past six seasons but never play for a national title because of their Mountain West affiliation.

Link of the day: Utah Senator Orrin Hatch has been a loud critic of the BCS, and don't expect that to change just because the Utes are now a part of a BCS league. "Utah moving to the Pac-10 doesn't mean the BCS has suddenly become a fair and equitable system," Hatch said. Click this link to read Hatch's comments in the Salt Lake Tribune.

On tap: Thursday's announcement that Utah is moving to the Pac-10 should end all expansion developments for the near future unless the Big East makes a move on UCF and/or Memphis. In other words, enjoy your weekend.

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Comments

Since: Oct 2, 2006
Posted on: June 20, 2010 4:35 pm
 

Expand-O-Meter, Thursday June 17

Silence Dogood, you mention the fans at ECU being much better fans than Memphis. but the numbers do not bear that out to be fact.  Looking at season attendance for both programs since 2000 (excluding 2001 because I couldn't find ECU's stats)  ECU averaged 35.7 thousand per game... Memphis averaged 35.4 thousand per game.   Plus I only counted games played in their home stadium.  Both teams seem to draw well when their team is winning - ECU surging greatly the last 4 years, but Memphis 03-05 when they were rolling had season of 40+ average attendance.  Last year was horrible for Memphis... the 4,000 game was however just awful.  Fan apathy had reached a huge boiling point and the people were sending a message to the University.  Things needed to change and change fast.  The way the Tigers were playing I'm surprised 4,000 showed up - that team was a mess.







Since: Oct 2, 2006
Posted on: June 20, 2010 4:35 pm
 

Expand-O-Meter, Thursday June 17

Silence Dogood, you mention the fans at ECU being much better fans than Memphis. but the numbers do not bear that out to be fact.  Looking at season attendance for both programs since 2000 (excluding 2001 because I couldn't find ECU's stats)  ECU averaged 35.7 thousand per game... Memphis averaged 35.4 thousand per game.   Plus I only counted games played in their home stadium.  Both teams seem to draw well when their team is winning - ECU surging greatly the last 4 years, but Memphis 03-05 when they were rolling had season of 40+ average attendance.  Last year was horrible for Memphis... the 4,000 game was however just awful.  Fan apathy had reached a huge boiling point and the people were sending a message to the University.  Things needed to change and change fast.  The way the Tigers were playing I'm surprised 4,000 showed up - that team was a mess.







Since: Oct 2, 2006
Posted on: June 20, 2010 3:37 pm
 

Expand-O-Meter, Thursday June 17

4 to 5 times?  Okay I just checked 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012 top 100 football recruits by scout.com.  1 or 2 more players per year might be more accurate.   And a lot of the recruits from the TN side were Memphis metro products.  



Since: Mar 19, 2007
Posted on: June 19, 2010 4:09 pm
 

And your counterpoint is...

Seriously?  Do you know anything about recruiting?

North Carolina and Southeastern Va typically provide 4 or 5 times as many Top 100 recruits then Memphis or all of Tennessee for that matter. 



Since: Jun 13, 2009
Posted on: June 19, 2010 3:23 pm
 

Expand-O-Meter, Thursday June 17

You missed a BIG point.  The Big East and every other conference would love a pipeline into Memphis for football recruits that right now is cornered by the SEC.  The Big East has nothing in the Memphis area.  How is recruiting for football in Carolina?  Not even that many recruits for basketball as most of Duke and UNC go shopping elsewhere.  Memphis is loaded and it is the SEC gold mine right now.  This is huge. 
And your counterpoint is.....



Since: Dec 15, 2009
Posted on: June 19, 2010 2:24 pm
 

Expand-O-Meter, Thursday June 17

Sure, Alabama would probably lay the smack down on ECU.  Alabama lays the smack down on almost everyone they play!  That is a terrible reason to exclude a team like ECU.  ECU has played in the liberty bowl the last two years and were winning both games until they choked in the end of both.  ECU should have beat Kentucky and Arkansas in both games, but give the other teams credit that they pulled it out.  ECU was not given a chance in either game, but played two great games and surprised everyone in the SEC.  ECU has also beat Miami who was #1 in 1999, then two years ago they beat VT and WVU back to back.  Ask these teams if ECU can play in the same league with them.  Go home, do some research and then post a message.  Otherwise, you are wasting our time!



Since: Sep 24, 2007
Posted on: June 19, 2010 2:23 pm
 

Expand-O-Meter, Thursday June 17

Hmmm, the Big East is a second class conference, then what are the ACC and PAC 10?
At the end of every year a composite RPI is tabulated to compare conference strength and ranked 1-6 for the BCS conferences.
Year 1 the Big East was 6 out of 6, since then every year they have finished 3rd, 4th or 5th. he ACC has finished 6th, 5 years in a row!
The BE is not just Rutgers, UCONN and Syracuse. You are forgetting West Virginia, Pitt, LVille and South Florida. With the exception of Syracuse, the Big East has shown by far the greatest increase in average team RPI of any conference in the country.
With your logic, it means there are only 3 BCS conferences! Fortunately peppagog, you know little or nothing about college sports.



Since: Dec 19, 2006
Posted on: June 19, 2010 11:59 am
 

Expand-O-Meter, Thursday June 17

I don't get why people are gaga over teams like TCU, ECU, UCF, Houston.  These are traditionally poor teams that play poor schedules, and all of a sudden lets get them in the SEC?  ACC?  Big 12?  Big East?  Maybe the big east, because they are barely better than C-USA anyway.  But to the people that suggest any of the teams mentioned should be in an actual conference have lost it.  East Carolina to either the ACC or SEC would be disasterous.  Could you imagine the beat down Alabama would give ECU?  Fantastic.  TCU would be manhandled by Texas, Texas AM, Oklahoma.  Houston?  LOL. 

It's a moot point, I suppose.  Once the Big Ten adds Syracuse, Rutgers, Boston College, and Maryland, some shuffling will be nessecary.  But I hope any conference realignment comes under the scrutiny of the BCS and tough decisions are made about who gets automatic bids.  A 8 team Big East probably should not get a bid; a 16 team SEC or Big Ten should probably get 2 each. 




Since: Mar 21, 2008
Posted on: June 18, 2010 10:26 pm
 

Expand-O-Meter, Thursday June 17

UCF and ECU would be better fits - Orlando is the 19th largest TV market in the country, UCF the 3rd largest university population wise in the nation with a brand new 45,000 + set stadium on campus.  ECU is on the rise, has great ticket sales and would be perfect for the Big East to reach out to the Carolina TV markets.  Make it happen!



Since: Mar 19, 2007
Posted on: June 18, 2010 10:08 pm
 

More than meets the eyes with Market size

That population growth you're talking about increased the fan base for the Heels and the Pack. 

Actually no, thats not right.  See Its actually UNC and NC State fans that are dying out and if you know anything about the three Universities, you would know that ECU is actually the "peoples" College and has been for a long time.  UNC (and to some extent NC State) are more interested in its graduate programs and recruiting kids from other countries.  ECU's goal is to educate people from NC and train them.

So when the Big East recently asked the cable companies in NC whether they would like the Big East Network if ECU was included, ALL of them (Charlotte, Raleigh, Tidewater..all of them) said they would put it on.  You have a huge population of NC , even cities in NC (Cary), full of transplanted Northerners, whose kids end up going to ECU.  

ECU moves the meter in NC...UNC moves it nationally.  ESPN is well aware of this (ECU had an exclusive contract with ESPN as an independent in the 90's) and is the driving force behind the Big East Network.  


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