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The Poll Attacks

Posted on: November 22, 2010 3:41 pm
Edited on: November 22, 2010 7:01 pm
Dave Mackall of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review is a nice reporter, a great dude and, most importantly, a longtime friend. But his latest AP ballot is bogus, and I can't play favorites with the Poll Attacks, so here we go!

(Details of AP ballots courtesy of

Associated Press poll:  Dave has North Carolina 12th and Minnesota 25th this week despite the fact that UNC is 2-2 with zero notable wins while Minnesota is 5-0 with wins over West Virginia and ... wait for it ... UNC. Ranking North Carolina at all is mostly indefensible (more on this below in this UNC-heavy version of the Poll Attacks), but ranking the Tar Heels 13 spots ahead of Minnesota is insanity. Dave also has Illinois at No. 19 but Texas unranked even though UT just beat Illinois and played No. 5 Pittsburgh to the final minute, and he has San Diego State 10 spots below Gonzaga even though the Aztecs are 4-0 with a win ... wait for it ... at Gonzaga.

In other words, this was not a good week for my man Dave.

But, in the spirit of giving credit where credit is due, he at least put Minnesota on his ballot somewhere.

Jason Franchuk from the Provo Daily Herald in Utah didn't even do that much.

He's the one AP voter who omitted Minnesota from his ballot, and I can't begin to imagine how or why. We can argue about whether the Gophers belong in the top 10 (which is where I have them) or closer to 15th (which is where the AP poll has them), but there is no denying they should be ranked. For whatever reason, Jason thinks otherwise. But he has North Carolina -- that 2-2 UNC team with no notable wins and a loss to Minnesota -- ranked 15th.

Coaches poll: You want to call me an idiot for trusting North Carolina and all that talent for the second straight season and ranking the Tar Heels sixth in the preseason Top 25 (and one), fine. I'll still be surprised if Roy Williams doesn't get this turned around and if Harrison Barnes doesn't prove to be great. But as it stands, I'm in no position to argue. So call me names if you desire.

But at least I'm not still ranking the Tar Heels!

I'm not stubborn to the point of being ridiculous.

Can't say the same for the men voting in the coaches poll.

Inexplicably, the coaches -- and the AP voters, as pointed out above -- kept UNC in their poll this week. The Tar Heels are 25th with 99 points. That's 79 more points than the Vanderbilt team that just beat them, 49 points more than the West Virginia team that beat the Vanderbilt team that just beat them, which is beyond stupid but perhaps not even the dumbest thing these coaches did this week.

Here's something dumber: New Mexico getting four points.

I've got no issues with somebody ranking New Mexico in the preseason. But what you can't do is rank New Mexico when the Lobos are coming off a 25-point loss to a Cal team picked to finish in the bottom half of the Pac-10. Similarly, you can't have Murray State on your ballot when the Racers have no quality wins to offset a 16-point loss to an Ole Miss team picked in the bottom half of the SEC, but some genius coach did that, too.

Since: Nov 29, 2008
Posted on: November 22, 2010 8:13 pm

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@RJRfootball51 The big difference, though, is that the teams the person last week shuffled around did not lose a game. This week, UNC lost twice.

Since: Nov 22, 2010
Posted on: November 22, 2010 7:19 pm

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Harrison Barnes is a great talent and will be a great player. Unfortunately for him, UNC had talent last year and produced nothing, and stands a good chance at doing so this year. Their season isn't a total loss, bu ttheir schedule will only get tougher, and if they want to avoid a similar fait as last year, then they will have to get tougher than their schedule.

Early season pollers have a tendency to rank based on their expectations the first few weeks isntead of actual performance. UNC always has great expectations, so even if they end up being aweful this year, it will take a while before the polls catch up to them.

Keep doing your thing Gary, Memphis supports you (unless you rank Texas above Memphis again, I mean really? I know you don't want to be a homer, but c'mon...sometimes you gotta rep where you're from)

Since: Nov 22, 2010
Posted on: November 22, 2010 6:57 pm

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Haha... Dave Mackall is a great dude and a good friend, but unless he got a new job this week, he writes for the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review... attribution FAIL.

Since: Dec 23, 2007
Posted on: November 22, 2010 6:56 pm

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Go back to Olive Branch and hug a root, Parrish..................

Since: Jan 12, 2009
Posted on: November 22, 2010 6:44 pm

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I'm a huge Duke fan, but also a great fan of "the best rivalry in college sports."  I can't help but be a little happy when Carolina loses, but another part of me wants for Carolina to win every game but 4--Duke at Chapel Hill, Duke at Cameron, Duke in the ACC Tourney final, and Duke for the national championship.  I think that a lot of Carolina fans probably feel the same way (in reverse, of course).  I think that Roy will turn things around.

Since: Mar 6, 2009
Posted on: November 22, 2010 6:26 pm

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Huge Carolina fan here...but I agree with you!  UNC has potential to be really good...but does not deserve to be ranked at this point!

Since: Nov 25, 2007
Posted on: November 22, 2010 6:04 pm

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I don't know, Gary.  I'm not all that impressed with your top-25-and-one, either; so I'm not that sure why I should care about your opinion of the other polls?  It's early, and maybe I'm missing something...?  I don't know.

Since: Aug 15, 2008
Posted on: November 22, 2010 5:07 pm

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Didn't Parrish bash a voter for changing his ballot last week because he didn't stick to his opinion?  So now that Gary feels that UNC may have been overrated, he's bashing people for keeping them in the top 25?  Gary, it seems a bit hypocritical to call someone out one week and then call others out for doing the opposite the next.  Honestly, every voter in any poll that put UNC in the pre-season top 10 should get chastised for their bias to the name on the jersey.  I have to believe that if Duke were in the same situation, winning a NC then missing the tourney and losing in the NIT followed by a top rated recruiting class and being in the top 10, they would get slammed by all kinds of people for being favored by the media and what not. 

Since: Sep 26, 2006
Posted on: November 22, 2010 5:04 pm

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Haha, the great UNC with their POY Harrison Barnes. You are worse at assessing basketball talent than my grandmother. And there's two things wrong with that. First, my grandmother knows nothing about basketball. Second, she's been dead for 20 years. What a joke. And you do this for a living?

Since: Jun 26, 2009
Posted on: November 22, 2010 3:50 pm

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1. We should give Dave a pass for maybe submitting his votes which he cast last week instead of making a few changes before submitting this week, much like you did in your first blank post, eh?
2.  NM will always get votes from someone....right, guys......?  Guys?

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