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Posted on: December 13, 2010 3:15 pm
Edited on: December 13, 2010 3:18 pm
 
Did some AP voters really rank Pittsburgh ahead of Tennessee?

Yes, some really did.

Their punishment is a featured spot in this week's Poll Attacks.

I won't stop till the stupidity stops. Real talk.

(Details of AP ballots courtesy of PollSpeak.com.)

AP poll:
I knew somebody would do it. Just had to get the ballots and start looking, and I knew I'd find it in seconds. So I got the ballots and started looking, and, seconds later, I found the ballot I knew I'd find -- the ballot that has Pittsburgh ahead of Tennessee despite the fact that Tennessee is undefeated with a dominating win over Pittsburgh.

The ballot belongs to Elton Alexander of the Cleveland Plain-Dealer.

He's a friend.

So -- as I tell my son right before he must be disciplined -- this, Elton, is going to be harder for me than it is for you. But the Poll Attacks do not play favorites, and I can't sit here and let you get away with ranking Pittsburgh No. 4 and Tennessee No. 9 on your ballot. Pitt, you might've heard, lost a pretty lopsided game this past weekend. In Pittsburgh. To Tennessee. Which means the Vols are still undefeated, and that they now have wins over the two schools picked first and second in the preseason Big East poll. And yet, Elton, you have three Big East teams still ranked ahead of Tennessee, including the Big East team that just lost to Tennessee after trailing the Vols by 21 points in the second half.

Beyond that, why aren't the Vols in the top five (or even top three), period?

They meet every criteria when it comes to ranking teams.

They have obvious talent (two McDonald's All-Americans in the starting lineup), a coach with a proven history of success (Bruce Pearl wins nearly 80 percent of his games), signature victories (over Villanova in New York and over Pitt in Pittsburgh) and no losses. There is absolutely no reason to be skeptical, but that's another post for another day. For this day, let's just keep it simple: You can rank Pittsburgh wherever you like, but you can't have the Panthers ahead of the Vols. That makes no sense. And it's why Elton Alexander's ballot looks silly -- as do the ballots belonging to The Capital's John McNamara (Pitt at No. 6, UT at No. 8), the Free Lance-Star's Steve DeShazo (Pitt at No. 6, UT at No. 8), and the Olean Times-Herald's J.P. Butler (Pitt at No. 7, UT at No. 9). I mean, come on guys. I post my updated Top 25 (and one) every Sunday night. If you have to cut-and-paste it, just cut-and-paste it.

Coaches poll: The coaches have Duke at the top, Tennessee in the top seven (and ahead of Pittsburgh and Villanova), San Diego State in the top 10, Michigan State still in the top 15, Louisville ahead of UNLV, and, I must say, these dudes did a pretty reasonable job this week.

Seriously.

I could quibble with Missouri being one spot ahead of Georgetown considering both teams have one loss to quality opponents, and Missouri's loss actually came to Georgetown in Kansas City, Missouri. But that's a minor detail. Florida at No. 24 and Central Florida unranked doesn't make a lot of sense either considering UCF is undefeated with a win over Florida. But I'm not ranking UCF (or Florida, for that matter), and I still think the Gators are a Top 25ish team. So that doesn't bother me much. Meantime, every single team that got a vote in the coaches poll -- Texas A&M, Temple, Old Dominion, Washington State, etc., -- can be justified on a Top 25 ballot. So what I'm trying to say -- and this is really hard for me to say -- is that I don't have any major issues with the coaches poll. I disagree with parts, but there's nothing that infuriates me. So in the spirit of giving credit where credit is due, I offer an attaboy to the coaches who voted this week. They weren't perfect, but they were way better than normal. And, again, they've got Tennessee ahead of Pittsburgh, which is pretty good, relatively speaking.
Comments

Since: May 31, 2009
Posted on: December 14, 2010 9:42 pm
 

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  Wow.  looking forward to the Alexander strikes back column. Tennessee just gave him something to crow about by losing to the basketball power Oakland I don't even know their nicknames. Mr. Parrish should change his name to Mr. Pariah. He complained about Georgetown/Mizzou last week then Georgetown lost to Temple. This week he writes paragraphs about the greatness of Tennessee and on cue they lose to an unranked team. Do me a favor Mr. Parrish, don't complain about Georgetown's position again. I'd rather have them uderrated and winning than correctly rated and losing.



Since: Oct 14, 2008
Posted on: December 14, 2010 3:37 pm
 

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That dude really is orange. He looks more like a mascot than a person. 



Since: Mar 13, 2009
Posted on: December 14, 2010 1:46 pm
 

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@fplvieyra

You made a good point, but I would like to note that Witherspoon (whom I'm assuming was who you meant by "Memphis's best player") was injured before the Kansas game and played on the injured knee.



Since: Dec 14, 2010
Posted on: December 14, 2010 12:58 pm
 

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Come on.  Really?  Thats your case?  UT plays UCONN and Memphis out of conference.  They play UK twice in conference.  They also play Florida twice (presently ranked #27) and Vandy twice (presently ranked #30).  That's four other games against teams ranked 5 spots or less outside of your precious top 25 rankings.  Btw check the RPI ratings out sometime, jackwagon.



Since: Jan 24, 2007
Posted on: December 14, 2010 12:15 pm
 

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There will always be haters, Vol Fan.  Worry not.  #1 R.P.I. does not lie.  



Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: December 14, 2010 10:22 am
 

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And how many games does Tennessee have remaining against ranked teams? FOUR, including just TWO conference games.

And how many games does Kansas have remaining against ranked teams? SEVEN, and all SEVEN are conference games.



Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: December 14, 2010 10:10 am
 

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Do you really think that Tennessee is a better team than Kansas right now? Really? They may have a more impressive resume at this time, so if their talent levels were equal I would put Tenessee ahead of Kansas, but IT'S NOT.

When was the last time Kansas went into a top 5 teams house and won??

At the end of last year when we beat K-State.

And beating Memphis alone, doesnt make a team great, or even good.  Its when you have several wins against top schools and are playing some on the road or neutral sites. 

You can be a great team without ever playing a game. Tennessee looks solid this year, but if Hopson twists an ankle, Tennessee is toast.



Since: Nov 29, 2007
Posted on: December 14, 2010 9:33 am
 

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@Great2Ba10acVOL

If Tennessee beats Memphis and is "proven" to be a good team based off of that win, then KU should too, especially considering that Kansas already beat Memphis handily, on a neutral court, and before Memphis' best player was injured.

Thing about this is, we have already beat 2 top 10 teams.  We have Memphis and then play @UCONN.  Sorry dude, but if you are arguing who is better rated off of their schedule, then the VOLS win hands down.  When was the last time Kansas went into a top 5 teams house and won??  I do remember them coming to knoxville and getting their a$$ handed to them though when they were at #1.  And beating Memphis alone, doesnt make a team great, or even good.  Its when you have several wins against top schools and are playing some on the road or neutral sites.  TN has done that.  And Cuse fan, Mich St is not that good.  But for your program, it was a good win, yes. Just because I wasnt trying to be an ignorant ass as most of the Cuse are, doesnt make me think Cuse is any good.  Id have you ranked down around 12 or 13.  Mich St has been your only competition and they almost came back to win. And they have 3 losses and should be ranked around 25.  Having the name Mich St shouldnt keep you in the top 10-15 with 3 losses at this point in the season.    GO VOLS!!



Since: Jan 5, 2010
Posted on: December 14, 2010 3:01 am
 

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@Great2Ba10acVOL

If Tennessee beats Memphis and is "proven" to be a good team based off of that win, then KU should too, especially considering that Kansas already beat Memphis handily, on a neutral court, and before Memphis' best player was injured.



Since: Oct 14, 2010
Posted on: December 13, 2010 8:19 pm
 

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hey Jester you act like beating Mich St. is the same as winning a national championship. "i'll give you that" is a figure of speech.  Its not our fault that cuse fans are basing the skill and future of their team on one win vs. an overrated Mich St squad. Yeah Izzo can mask it for a while b/c he is that good but that barely top 20 team hes got will get exposed.


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