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The Poll Attacks

Posted on: January 24, 2011 3:29 pm
Edited on: January 24, 2011 3:31 pm
 
There's always one voter who wants to be different for the sake of being different.

That voter usually ends up getting Poll Attacked.

 (I hope it was worth it, Ron.)

Let's do this!

(Details of AP ballots courtesy of PollSpeak.com.)

Associated Press poll: Duke might be America's best team, might win the national title, might finish the season ranked No. 1. Who the hell knows? But voting the Blue Devils No. 1 right now is just as silly as voting anybody but the Blue Devils No. 1 in the preseason, because there's nothing tangible to back up such a vote. For the millionth time, the games have to matter. And by any measuring stick the only team that can be voted No. 1 right now is Ohio State ... unless you just love San Diego State. Honestly, I would not ridicule anybody for ranking SDSU No. 1 because the Aztecs are obviously good and possibly great, and there's no stain on their resume to hold against them. Want to hold their schedule against them? Fine. I'm OK with that, too. That's why I have the Aztecs fourth, because they do lack quality wins. But any defense of SDSU can start with, "Yeah, but nobody has beaten them," and that's an obviously difficult thing to counter. So I guess what I'm saying is that you can do whatever you want with San Diego State, and you'll hear nothing from me. Rank them first or fourth or eighth. I'm cool with it.

But what I'm not cool with is Duke at No. 1.

How can that be justified?

The Blue Devils do have a stain on their resume, specifically that 66-61 loss at Florida State.

Beyond that, Ohio State has better wins than Duke.

Seriously, take a look:
  • Number of Duke wins vs. currently ranked teams: 1
  • Number of Ohio State wins vs. currently ranked teams: 4
Duke's only win over a currently ranked team is a home win over No. 25 Michigan State. Meantime, OSU has wins over No. 16 Minnesota (home), No. 20 Illinois (away), No. 22 Florida State (away) and No. 24 Florida (away). So by AP standards, OSU has four wins -- three of which came on the road -- better than any of Duke's wins, and one of those wins is a 58-44 win over the Florida State team that beat Duke. So to recap: OSU is 20-0 with four wins over currently ranked teams while Duke is 18-1 with one win over a currently ranked team. And OSU easily handled the team that beat Duke. And OSU (this is probably worth noting, too) didn't lose its best player to a toe injury last month.

Knowing all that, how could anybody rank Duke ahead of Ohio State?

Answer: I have no idea.

But I'd love for you to email Ron Morris from The State newspaper in South Carolina and ask him.

He's the lone AP voter ranking Duke ahead of Ohio State.

Perhaps he knows something the rest of us don't.

Or, more likely, he doesn't know any of the stuff I just referenced.

Coaches poll: I loved Baylor in the preseason.

Loved LaceDarius Dunn. Loved Quincy Acy. Loved Perry Jones. Loved the potential. But then the season began and Baylor started taking bad losses, and the Bears haven't done anything to offset them to date, which is why I can't comprehend -- neither can ESPN's Eamonn Brennan, by the way -- how some coach is still voting the Bears on his Top 25 ballot. The Bears are 13-5 with four losses to teams currently unranked in the coaches poll (Gonzaga, Iowa State, Washington State and Florida State) and one loss to a currently ranked team (Kansas). And their best win is a home win over unranked Oklahoma State. So while there might come a day when Baylor again deserves to be on a Top 25 ballot (I still like the potential of the roster), that day is most certainly not to day. So shame on the coach who voted Baylor 25th ... unless, of course, the guilty party is Baylor coach Scott Drew.

In that case, hey, I understand.

I guess.
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Since: Sep 10, 2006
Posted on: January 26, 2011 10:30 am
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Since: Jul 24, 2007
Posted on: January 25, 2011 12:33 am
 

The Poll Attacks

After reviewing all of these comments, I believe the concensus is that we want to know why Mich St is still ranked? I heard Parrish's excuse for why he's still ranking them, but I don't feel it holds water. There are tons of Sparty fans out there, maybe one of them can come up with a good reason for ranking MSU? How about it?






Since: Mar 30, 2009
Posted on: January 24, 2011 10:34 pm
 

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I think the more relevant question is, how the hell is Michigan State still even ranked?  Come on Parrish, unlock your lips from Izzo's a$$.  Tom Izzo is an awesome coach, no doubt, but maybe Gary, JUST maybe, THIS mIchigan State team is not that good...ever think of that?  95% of the rest of the college-basketball watching population has basically reached that conclusion, except for you who kowtow to Izzo's history.  So, realizing Michigan State isn't that good, then Duke actually has ZERO wins against ranked teams.  But, still, because of their coach, the media and coaches grovel to them so hard it is disgusting.


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Since: Oct 4, 2006
Posted on: January 24, 2011 10:33 pm
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Since: Mar 11, 2007
Posted on: January 24, 2011 9:25 pm
 

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AND AGAIN YOU RANK

PITTSBURG ANOTHER  OVERRANKED BIG EAST TEAM

1. DUKE
2. SDSU
3. BYU
4. Ohio STate
5. Kansas

And the BLUE DEVILS  hang around just like LAST YEAR

COME ON GARY

TAKE MICH STATE OUT OF YOUR RANKINGS





Since: Nov 8, 2006
Posted on: January 24, 2011 8:56 pm
 

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I am sorry that the kid lost his mother but the constant rationalization that it was the reason for the loss is pretty lame. When they were up 18-3 never heard it being anything but a rallying point for the team but then became the reason they loss. Let us face facts that Texas is a team coming of age that just played better and from all signs looks to continue this trend. So again sorry to hear about the players mother but give Texas thier due.



Since: May 4, 2009
Posted on: January 24, 2011 8:40 pm
 

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As a Duke alum, I definitely do not think we should be ranked 1 or 2, and frankly 5 or 6 or 7 or 8 isn't really an unfair ranking either.  What the poster below me said is fairly incomprehensible and gives Duke fans a bad name, which we already do well enough on our own.



Since: Mar 11, 2007
Posted on: January 24, 2011 8:06 pm
 

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Gary
  You think cause you say OHIO STATE #1 you are right. hmmmm
I think Ron is correct and DUke is the #1 team ok.
Do you know something the rest of us DONT?

You're the one that had MICH ST #2  right
YOU're the one that had TENN #4 RIGHT
You're the one that had  KANSAS STATE 4  RIGHT
You're the one that puts a 3 loss team in front of BYU  RIGHT?

So, Who are you to think Duke is not #1.  WOW
Most of the teams OHIO STATE HAS PLAYED ARE NOT TOP 20 teams but u continue to rank
MICHIGAN STATE IN YOUR TOP 26 WITH WHAT SIX LOSSES
You are the one Gary that needs to stop and think:
You rank OS #1 just due to record?
well in that case how can you rank any1 with more than 1 loss
ahead of BYU
You said same thing LAST YEAR REMEMBER GARY
DUKE WONT WIN IT
HA HA HA HA

 




Since: Apr 4, 2007
Posted on: January 24, 2011 8:06 pm
 

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I can understand a 12 Jan home win against Duke can cause voters to forget a 28 Nov home loss to UF.  But I think that the 3 Jan loss at AU might make the 12 Jan home win against Duke a push. 

Certainly UF did not look great at AU, but UF won.  FSU lost to a team some have claimed is the worst major conference team in history.  So hard to say the have clearly shown to be different than they were back when the lost to UF at home.




Since: Jun 13, 2007
Posted on: January 24, 2011 7:50 pm
 

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Just because Texas beat Kansas does not necessarily mean they are a better overall team.  It means they were clearly a better team last Saturday.  Robinson's loss of his mother the night before the game affected KU's entire roster, and from what I've read the majority of them were up until 5 am, which accounts for the lack of energy in the second half.  I will give Texas its props, they are a great team and beat Kansas fair and square, all I'm saying is it was one game, and one game only.  You don't think Florida State should be ranked ahead of Duke do you?  No, you have to take into account the entire season thus far, as well as how good you think a team will be going forward.  

Now, with all of that said, given the fact that Texas did win the game, and the fact that UT has been playing fantastic bball lately, I agree that they should currently be ranked ahead of Kansas.  I'm just saying the whole "they just beat them, they have to be ranked ahead of them" is a short-sited argument.   



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