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Can Duke get a No. 1 seed without quality wins?

Posted on: January 30, 2011 4:17 pm
Edited on: January 31, 2011 4:34 am
 
It's funny how the conversation consistently shifts in college basketball. For instance ...

Old question: Will Duke go undefeated this season?

New question: Will Duke even earn a No. 1 seed in the NCAA tournament this season?

We were debating the first question three weeks ago, but Florida State put it to rest on Jan. 12 with a 66-61 win over the Blue Devils. Now it's time to address the second question, and the answer might surprise you because it's possible the answer is that, no, the Blue Devils will not get a No. 1 seed because they're going to be lacking quality wins to offset bad losses like the blowout loss they took Sunday at St. John's.

Final score: St. John's 93, Duke 78.

And I don't care where St. John's sits in the RPI, it's a bad loss when you lose by 15 points to a team that had already lost eight games, including games to St. Bonaventure and Fordham. Can it be explained? Sure. The Blue Devils were 5-of-26 from 3-point range while committing 17 turnovers; good luck beating anybody of quality with those stats. So, yeah, I understand why Duke lost Sunday. What I'm having a more difficult time understanding is how the Blue Devils are going to earn a No. 1 seed with no great wins and at least two questionable losses.

That's the real problem with the ACC being down in relation to Duke.

(Contrary to what some would have you believe, Duke didn't lose to St. John's on Sunday because the ACC is weak and the Big East is great any more than St. John's lost to St. Bonaventure last month because the Big East is great and the Atlantic 10 is whatever. One, quite simply, has nothing to do with the other. Duke lost to St. John's on Sunday because Duke is a flawed team that played poorly and St. John's is a better-than-its-record team that played well. As for the Big East and ACC in general, the bottom line is this: The Big East is awesome and the ACC stinks. But those are two things we knew yesterday, i.e., before St. John's-Duke even tipped. My advice: Don't ever draw grand conclusions about leagues from the outcome of any one game ... unless it's a football game between SEC and Big Ten members. In that case, feel free to draw whatever conclusion you like. But I digress ...)

The lack of quailty in the ACC won't "fail to prepare" Duke for the 2011 NCAA tournament any more than the lack of quality in the Horizon League failed to prepare Butler for the 2010 NCAA tournament. But what it might do is prevent Duke from earning a No. 1 seed because the quality wins just aren't going to be available. The Blue Devils beat Marquette, Kansas State, Michigan State and Butler early, but only the Marquette win can reasonably be considered a quality win now. Making things worse is that no team on Duke's past or future schedule -- except for maybe Marquette and/or North Carolina -- figures to be ranked when the AP poll is updated Monday. So whereas Ohio State, Pittsburgh, Connecticut, Kansas and Texas still have plenty of chances to stack nice wins, all Duke can really do is stack OK wins or bad losses.

That's a tough spot.

Does it mean Duke can't win the national title?

Of course it doesn't mean that.

It's important to remember Duke was 17-4 and coming off a 12-point loss to Georgetown on this day last season, and the Blue Devils ended up winning that national title, which is why dismissing them as a legitimate candidate this season because of what happened Sunday would be equal parts premature and stupid. But what's neither premature nor stupid is to wonder whether a No. 1 seed in the NCAA tournament is possible. If it doesn't happen, it won't necessarily be because the Blue Devils aren't good enough. Rather, it'll likely be rooted in the fact that their body of work will lack quality wins because their schedule doesn't provide many, if any, opportunities to record them.
Category: NCAAB
Tags: Duke, St. John's
 
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Since: Jan 5, 2011
Posted on: January 30, 2011 11:15 pm
 

Can Duke get a No. 1 seed without quality wins?

any team can win lots of games with no contenders In case you haven't noticed this season. OSU nay... The ENTIRE Big Ten is tough being undeafeated in that conference this year is 9 quality wins for them. Plus they destroyed both florida and florida state at their places and both of those teams are contending for their respective conferences. If you think those wins aren't quality wins against contending leaders in the SEC and ACC are not quality wins or are not against contenders then you need to rethink your definition of contenders. The big ten itself is full of contenders that is why it is the toughest conference in america.



Since: Jan 5, 2011
Posted on: January 30, 2011 11:08 pm
 

Can Duke get a No. 1 seed without quality wins?

Pitt? Really? Who may i ask have they beaten? All of their quality wins have been illed by those teams losing. Syracuse has lost 4 in a row UConn has three losses in the conference probably soon to be four. And Georgetown is on and off. If Pitt beats Nova at their house and takes down Lousville on the road maybe. But they have to play better than they have been almost dropping two straight. Pitt will most likely get a 2 seed just like Duke. The number one seeds are probably going to be texas kansas ohio state and i can't believe i'm saying this but san diego state if they don't lose too many more. if they lose then maybe pitt has a shot. But other than that i don't see their win quality number one seed worthy. If san diego state wins out and i don't know who would beat them they'll be a number one seed. But not pitt. one loss would go over two any day.



Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: January 30, 2011 11:01 pm
 

Can Duke get a No. 1 seed without quality wins?

not h8ting on osu..honestly..just the facts on what paper shows...if thats how they are tring to rank them thats all



Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: January 30, 2011 10:54 pm
 

Can Duke get a No. 1 seed without quality wins?

one more thing look at duke last year after state gave it too them. look wha they did then. you would be dunb too think duke won't learn from this.. K knows how too deal with his team..look at the titles baby.....


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Since: Nov 19, 2010
Posted on: January 30, 2011 10:48 pm
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Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: January 30, 2011 10:47 pm
 

Can Duke get a No. 1 seed without quality wins?

pit should be #1..I made it simple for you



Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: January 30, 2011 10:45 pm
 

Can Duke get a No. 1 seed without quality wins?

Look at the osu season.no big wins.any team can win lots of games with no contenders,(MSU) did'nt take in the fact of home game losses ...my bad.

Duke is good,weather you haters want to realize it or not,Duke has and always will be a tourny team.....oh and realy ,too compare this team too the McRoberts era is a joke,even as a dookie i can say that he was a waste of a scolorship,he was never worthie of a duke uniform in my eyes.he to me is the comparison to ed davis from unc. even as rivals we should at least agree on that


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Since: Nov 19, 2010
Posted on: January 30, 2011 10:44 pm
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Since: Jan 25, 2010
Posted on: January 30, 2011 10:30 pm
 

Can Duke get a No. 1 seed without quality wins?

Admittedly this loss stucnk.  However, lets look at the top 20 teams.  OSU, beating Northwestern by 1.  Very impressive.  Penn State beating Wisconsin (didn Terps beat PSU by about 30) Connecticutt losing to Louisville, Villanova losing 3 in a row; last one Georgetown (lost 4 of 5 in B-E).  Marquette beating Syracuse,  Pitt beating a mediocre Rutgers by 3/

Which team is really playing well now in top 25.  Please note how many teams in Big East are looking very average right now.  OK ACC looks even worse but not that bad.  Only one team with team record below 500.  Many teams bunched with 4-3 and better. 

Will SDU be no. 1 if OSU loses?  Crazy year and we have time.  Still more than half of conference games left.  Someone said where are Dukes QS.  They had them early but they had them.  If Duke ends season 26-4 it will be as good as any in last several years.  ( tink Terps wiill beat them Wednesday and I still think 25-4 will get Duke 1 seed, NC a 2 seed and FSU and VT should be 3 seeds and suprisingly remember I am saying this Terps will be 23-7 and should be a 4 seed.  Clemson should make it as well.  6 isnt great but they should all get there.  

No. 1 seeds will be Duke (if they win ACC tourney), Pitt will squeek in, OSU will be there and SDU if they do not lsoe.  Crazy year with no great conference!!!! 



Since: Oct 18, 2006
Posted on: January 30, 2011 10:25 pm
 

Can Duke get a No. 1 seed without quality wins?

"Certainly Duke is Duke...they're on TV more than Leave it to Beaver reruns" ~ Pete Gillen



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