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The Poll Attacks

Posted on: January 31, 2011 4:10 pm
Edited on: January 31, 2011 4:17 pm
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You want to know why more than half of the AP voters have Duke outside of the top five?

Because that's where the Blue Devils belong.

You want to know why one AP voter has Duke inside of the top two?

Because ... I have no idea.

But I appreciate Ron Morris doing it because it makes for an easy Poll Attacks.

Associated Press poll: Where would you rank a team that's A) suffered two losses to currently unranked teams, B) beaten zero currently ranked teams, C) gone 2-2 against four unranked teams in true road games, and D) been without its best player since early December?

If your name is Ron Morris, you'd rank that team second.

You'd be crazy, of course.

But that's what you'd do.

Because that's what Ron did.

(You can click this link see for yourself thanks to PollSpeak.com)

Granted, this is better than last week, when Ron was the lone AP voter who had Duke ahead of Ohio State. But it's still wrong because the Blue Devils' resume wasn't worthy of a No. 2 ranking last week, and it sure isn't worthy of No. 2 ranking after Sunday's blowout loss at St. Johns. To prove this, let's compare the bodies of work of the school Ron has No. 2 (Duke) and the school I have No. 2 (Pittsburgh).

----- Duke -----

Record: 19-2
Wins over currently ranked teams: 0
Losses to currently unranked teams: 2 (Florida State, St. John's)
Losses to currently ranked teams: 0

----- Pitt -----

Record: 20-2
Wins over currently ranked teams: 4 (No. 3 Texas, No. 6 Connecticut, No. 13 Georgetown, No. 17 Syracuse)
Losses to currently unranked teams: 1 (Tennessee)
Losses to currently ranked teams: 1 (No. 9 Notre Dame)

Now allow me to recap: Pitt has at least four wins better than any win Duke possesses, and Pitt has only one loss to a currently unranked team whereas Duke has two. So the Panthers have more wins than Duke, better wins than Duke and two losses that aren't as bad as Duke's two losses. And yet Ron has Duke No. 2 and Pittsburgh No. 4. I bet you a briefcase full of Charlie Sheen's coke that he couldn't possibly defend that order with anything of substance.

Coaches poll: We might find out in March that Utah State is the next Butler or George Mason or whatever, at which point this version of the Poll Attacks will look stupid. But for now the coaches ranking the Aggies 21st is what looks stupid.

What's it based on?

A bunch of bad victories?

The Aggies have played two legitimate basketball teams (BYU and Georgetown) and lost both games by an average of 11.5 points. Beyond that, they haven't done much of note. All 20 of their wins are against teams ranked outside of the Top 100 of the latest RPI, meaning Utah State is 0-2 against the Top 100 and 20-0 against teams outside of the Top 100. Congratulations, I guess. But where I'm from, that's not good enough. You want to be ranked, beat somebody. Because beating a bunch of nobodies doesn't do much for me. Again, if Utah State proves me wrong in March, I'll apologize. But for now the Aggies are just a team stacking wins against weak competition after losing their only two games against good competition.

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Since: Nov 29, 2007
Posted on: January 31, 2011 10:48 pm
 

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It really doesnt matter who is ranked where unless you are around the 68 mark.  I kinda like how the voters rank these teams that have a lower level of competition.  This way, when March comes around, and these "not so great" teams end up as 2,3,4 seeds, the other teams that have played at a high level all year long but ended up at 8,9,10 seedds, will most likely upset most of them and hence, have a little something to smile about towards the NCAA.  Of course, you will have some of those teams upset the big time schools, and this year looks like one of those years.  Should be a great tourney yet again with alot of upsets as those 8,9,10 seeds are definitely capable of beating any 1 seed.  More so than the butlers, belmont's, and utah st type schools.    GO VOLS!!



Since: Mar 30, 2009
Posted on: January 31, 2011 10:11 pm
 

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Hey Parrish, try smacking Matt McCoy around.



Since: Feb 18, 2009
Posted on: January 31, 2011 9:20 pm
 

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11. PITTSBURG  i c their resume  go look at their wins  they have horrible wins against horrible teams


Who has Duke beaten?  An overrated, horrible Michigan State team?  A Kansas State team that won't even make the tournament?  I mean come on, you can't really believe yourself when you think that Duke has better wins than Pitt, do you? That's just ridiculous.



Since: Sep 22, 2006
Posted on: January 31, 2011 9:10 pm
 

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Pitt beat Texas and Uconn Dope and learm how to spell


Learm?  If you're going to correct someone on their spelling you should make dang sure yours is correct before hitting the submit button.



Since: Jan 3, 2008
Posted on: January 31, 2011 8:37 pm
 

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Pitt beat Texas and Uconn Dope and learm how to spell




Since: Aug 29, 2006
Posted on: January 31, 2011 8:34 pm
 

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All this poll crap is meaningless.  And, all a team needs to do is make the tournament.  We can be thankful NCAA basketball isn't as screwed up as NCAA FBS (Div. 1) football.



Since: Dec 24, 2009
Posted on: January 31, 2011 8:14 pm
 

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UCONN is soooo good that they get two spots in the top 10!
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    THIS IS INDEED THE WORST TOP 25 AND ONE YOU HAVE EVER PUT OUT GARY
    YOUR BIAS AND DISCRIMINATION SHOW ...ap and coaches  DUKE #5

    PLEASE READ THE WAY IT SHOULD BE
    1. OHIO STATE
    2. KANSAS
    3. DUKE
    4. BYU
    5. SAN DIEGO STATE
    6. TEXAS
    7. UCONN
    8. NOTRE DAME
    9. UCONN
    10 KENTUCKY
    11. PITTSBURG  i c their resume  go look at their wins  they have horrible wins against horrible teams



    Since: Dec 24, 2009
    Posted on: January 31, 2011 8:13 pm
     

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    How can anyone respect a poll that lists UConn twice!  Two places at one time I guess.  At least you got the numbers in the right order. 



    Since: Oct 5, 2006
    Posted on: January 31, 2011 8:09 pm
     

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    Sorry -- what the heck happened to my post?



    Since: Oct 5, 2006
    Posted on: January 31, 2011 8:07 pm
     

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    The first criteria for voting the Top 20 or 25 would be a voter’s judgment in who they think would beat whom.  That is #1 would be #2 (and most of/all of through #25), #2 would beat #3 and so on.  As other articles have pointed out if Top 25 teams play each other, if Top 10 teams play each other, everybody probably has losses.  If the whole season is that way then either we have lousy schedules or voters put the wrong folks in the Top 25.

    But if Team A just beat Team B and they both have similar records and they are both close in the polls, then logically Team A is ranked higher than Team B.  How can BYU be ranked below the SDSU team they just beat?  Not a buzzer beater.  Not even as close as the final score.  Home court?  Sure.  But still.

    Second, ANY team playing ANYbody and winning 20 games in a 30 game season is a good team, and in most cases dances in March (unless the bracket is full).  That a team would be 20-2, and will finish with at least 5 more wins, makes them a great (and yes Top 25) team.  Utah State belongs in there.

    Third, one needs excuses to vote aside from W-L records to include teams.  Certainly these exist – see the Big East.  But these are exceptions.  If you’ve won 20 games at this point you belong among the top ranked teams ahead of and above really good teams with 3 or 4 losses.

    And fourth, even though you’re 19-2 and have this great tradition, if you get your butt kicked like Duke just did, you maybe need to fall further in the polls.  Just talking polls; and talking where they are at on the last day in January.  Duke may well win the NC again; they may not lose again this year.  But they should have plummeted much further.

     


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