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The Poll Attacks

Posted on: January 31, 2011 4:10 pm
Edited on: January 31, 2011 4:17 pm
You want to know why more than half of the AP voters have Duke outside of the top five?

Because that's where the Blue Devils belong.

You want to know why one AP voter has Duke inside of the top two?

Because ... I have no idea.

But I appreciate Ron Morris doing it because it makes for an easy Poll Attacks.

Associated Press poll: Where would you rank a team that's A) suffered two losses to currently unranked teams, B) beaten zero currently ranked teams, C) gone 2-2 against four unranked teams in true road games, and D) been without its best player since early December?

If your name is Ron Morris, you'd rank that team second.

You'd be crazy, of course.

But that's what you'd do.

Because that's what Ron did.

(You can click this link see for yourself thanks to

Granted, this is better than last week, when Ron was the lone AP voter who had Duke ahead of Ohio State. But it's still wrong because the Blue Devils' resume wasn't worthy of a No. 2 ranking last week, and it sure isn't worthy of No. 2 ranking after Sunday's blowout loss at St. Johns. To prove this, let's compare the bodies of work of the school Ron has No. 2 (Duke) and the school I have No. 2 (Pittsburgh).

----- Duke -----

Record: 19-2
Wins over currently ranked teams: 0
Losses to currently unranked teams: 2 (Florida State, St. John's)
Losses to currently ranked teams: 0

----- Pitt -----

Record: 20-2
Wins over currently ranked teams: 4 (No. 3 Texas, No. 6 Connecticut, No. 13 Georgetown, No. 17 Syracuse)
Losses to currently unranked teams: 1 (Tennessee)
Losses to currently ranked teams: 1 (No. 9 Notre Dame)

Now allow me to recap: Pitt has at least four wins better than any win Duke possesses, and Pitt has only one loss to a currently unranked team whereas Duke has two. So the Panthers have more wins than Duke, better wins than Duke and two losses that aren't as bad as Duke's two losses. And yet Ron has Duke No. 2 and Pittsburgh No. 4. I bet you a briefcase full of Charlie Sheen's coke that he couldn't possibly defend that order with anything of substance.

Coaches poll: We might find out in March that Utah State is the next Butler or George Mason or whatever, at which point this version of the Poll Attacks will look stupid. But for now the coaches ranking the Aggies 21st is what looks stupid.

What's it based on?

A bunch of bad victories?

The Aggies have played two legitimate basketball teams (BYU and Georgetown) and lost both games by an average of 11.5 points. Beyond that, they haven't done much of note. All 20 of their wins are against teams ranked outside of the Top 100 of the latest RPI, meaning Utah State is 0-2 against the Top 100 and 20-0 against teams outside of the Top 100. Congratulations, I guess. But where I'm from, that's not good enough. You want to be ranked, beat somebody. Because beating a bunch of nobodies doesn't do much for me. Again, if Utah State proves me wrong in March, I'll apologize. But for now the Aggies are just a team stacking wins against weak competition after losing their only two games against good competition.


Since: Mar 11, 2007
Posted on: January 31, 2011 6:57 pm

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Typical Big East homer. How 'bout all the Big East teams that are overrated?? A Georgetown team with 5 losses is 11th?? I can't wait till March when the Big East will show it's true colors, again.

Since: Jan 26, 2009
Posted on: January 31, 2011 6:36 pm

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I'm not saying they should be ranked but that it's no big deal if someone decides to rank them instead of a 8 loss Marquette team. Losing in the 1st round doesn't really say much one way or another if they belonged in the tourny or not. Utah St. will always be a 12-13 seed no matter how well they do in the regular season and be faced with a prettty tough match up. They only lost by 1 point to Marquette 2 years ago and are usually pretty competive most years they are in the tourny. Beat Ohio St in the 1st round in 2001 for example. I wouldn't rank them but don't see it as that big of a deal if someone did.

Since: May 26, 2010
Posted on: January 31, 2011 6:28 pm

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I should have known all the Duke whiners would start posting. You are not a top 5 team right now. Get over it. You just got dominated by an average St. John's team. As Parrish always states, he is basing the poll on what is going on today. Not what will happen in March or what he thinks will happen in March. If you wonder why people hate Duke, it's because all the Duke posters whine nonstop on this board.

Since: Jun 11, 2009
Posted on: January 31, 2011 6:19 pm

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I totally agree with the fact that Duke shouldn't be ranked 2, and putting them at 1 last week, well that's just a homer move if I ever saw one...Bilas wouldn't even do that.  As far as the Utah St is what it is, and racking up wins doesn't guarantee a spot in the tourney.  I'm surprised they don't play better out of conference preseason games and make some $.  Look at Oakland, Michigan, they're 16-8 overall, have played WVU, Purdue, Illinois, Tennessee, Michigan, and Ohio St all on the road and Mich St. and Valpo at home.  They are now 11-0 in conference and I'd give them the nod over Utah St. on effort and ba**s alone and I'm sure they made some serious cheese along the way to help build the program.

Since: Jan 1, 2008
Posted on: January 31, 2011 6:15 pm

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     I totally agree with your opinion that road/neutral records are more impressive than home records mostly because tourney games are played on neutral courts.  But the Duke fans are always going to focus on road games for the same reason!  The NCAA puts Duke as close to home as possible for a large portion of the tourney draw so I guess I see both sides of the argument.

Since: Jan 1, 2008
Posted on: January 31, 2011 6:08 pm

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; I think you are actually supporting Gary's Utah State point than arguing it.  The last 2 years the Aggies have gone out in the first round of the tourney.  The two years before that they were out in the first round of the NIT.  The rankings are called the TOP 25, not the 25 best records.  If you can't get out of the first round you shouldn't be in the top 32. 

Since: Jan 2, 2007
Posted on: January 31, 2011 5:58 pm

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I don't really understand the whole "lost at home, or lost away" argument.  They both have 2 losses.  Pitt has 4 wins that are better than Duke's best win, Marquette.

But you are saying Duke should be higher because they lost away from home??? Okay, so you could make a reasonable argument that Duke is a better home team than Pitt.  But couldn't you then argue that Pitt is a better road team than Duke, which would cancel it out?  So basically,  one is better at home, the other is better on the road (i'd rather be better on the road, personally).  So shouldn't the fact that Pitt has actually beaten good teams be a de facto tiebreaker in this sense? 

We know you are a homer, and you really don't have much of an argument here.  Clearly Pitt deserves to be higher than Duke based on what we have seen so far.  But look at the bright side, rankings really don't matter right now anyway.

Since: Jan 26, 2009
Posted on: January 31, 2011 5:36 pm

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Come on Gary, your take on Utah St every year is getting old. Every year around this time Utah St break into the top 25 and Gary complains about it. They might not be a top 25 team but at least they haven't proven that they are not a top 25 team like Marquette and Illinois. At some point winning games matter. I'm guessing if you tried a little harder you could come up with at least 10 teams who should be ranked instead of Illinois and Marquette. You would of been better off leaving Michigan State if you wanted to rank a team that loses 1/3 of their games.

Since: Dec 14, 2006
Posted on: January 31, 2011 5:36 pm

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Gary Parrish is a trainwreck.  It amazes me that CBS pays him one dime.  You can pick any hardcore UK fan to bash Duke week end and week out, why Parrish? Duke doesnt belong #1, nobody is saying that, but 8th??  Parrish just fell off the wagon and started following college basketball, thats obvious.  A lot of poll swapping will happen between now and March, a LOT.  A #1 seed is the goal.  Parrish, stop robbing CBS of a check and stop playing favorites.  

Since: Jan 21, 2009
Posted on: January 31, 2011 5:26 pm

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Gary, please start by fixing your statement next to Duke in your 25 and one. They beat Marquette who you rank 23rd. After that ponder that maybe duke lost two road games while Pitt lost 2 home games! As a person passionate about college basketball like yourself you should see the difference. The AP and coaches are right about Duke, you are not.

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