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Updated Top 25 (and one)

Posted on: February 20, 2011 10:16 pm
Edited on: February 21, 2011 12:20 am
 
The Top 25 (and one) will be updated on the college basketball page shortly.

Here's how it will look:
  1. Ohio State (25-2)
  2. Pittsburgh (24-3)
  3. Texas (23-4)
  4. Kansas (25-2)
  5. San Diego State (27-1)
  6. Duke (25-2)
  7. BYU (25-2)
  8. Notre Dame (21-5)
  9. Purdue (22-5)
  10. Wisconsin (20-6)
  11. Georgetown (21-6)
  12. Connecticut (20-6)
  13. Villanova (21-6)
  14. Florida (21-5)
  15. Vanderbilt (20-6)
  16. Louisville (20-7)
  17. North Carolina (20-6)
  18. Arizona (23-4)
  19. Kentucky (19-7)
  20. Syracuse (22-6)
  21. St. John's (17-9)
  22. Missouri (21-6)
  23. Texas A&M (21-5)
  24. West Virginia (17-9)
  25. Temple (21-5)
  26. George Mason (23-5)
Category: NCAAB
Comments

Since: Oct 30, 2006
Posted on: February 22, 2011 3:57 pm
 

Updated Top 25 (and one)

No wonder you didnt include UConn being ranked ahead of Louisville in your poll attacks article. You are as dumb as some of these writers you make fun of. They have nearly identical records and UL swept UConn, with the second victory being pretty easy since Louisville is finally healthy.



Since: Nov 1, 2008
Posted on: February 22, 2011 11:21 am
 

Updated Top 25 (and one)

Yeah but let's not forget that Kansas played the Texas game on about 4 hours of sleep. The players were up till 5 am with Robinson after he found out his mother died. And what did KU do on little sleep? Came out and blasted Texas for 30 minutes. But unfortunately, ran out of gas and Texas was fortunate enough to leave with a win. Not making excuses. In fact, I think it's good for Kansas because they are playing as well as anyone in the country right now. 
Do not forget that K-state was the 3rd ranked team coming into the season.  They had their backs against the wall and came out firing last Monday. Kansas also blasted KSU by 20 just a couple weeks ago.
Also, wins over Arizona, UCLA, Memphis, Cal, Michigan, Baylor, Missouri, Nebraska twice (the same team that beat TEXAS...), Colorado twice.
The ACC is down, and only has 2 or 3 even good teams. Florida St would be a middle of the pack team (maybe) in the Big XII. I equate the St. Johns loss to the K-State loss. Very similar performances by the opponents.
On a neutral court, Kansas would wipe Duke all over the floor. Good team but not the best team. Sorry
Top 5 1Kansas, 2Ohio St, 3Pitt, 4Duke, 5 Texas



Since: Nov 6, 2008
Posted on: February 21, 2011 6:23 pm
 

Updated Top 25 (and one)

Seriously? You're comparing a loss to a potential #1 seed in the NCAA tournament to a loss to Florida State. It's not comparable, it's not even close. You want to compare St. Johns to UT, and FSU to KSU, fine that's closer, but it's still your eye test against every statistical metric available. I think I'll go with the rationale that doesn't put Texas and Florida State in the same category.



Since: Jan 19, 2009
Posted on: February 21, 2011 2:42 pm
 

Updated Top 25 (and one)

Kansas lost to Texas at home by 9 points.  Most bball analysts attribute about 5-6 points for home court advantage, so if Kansas and Texas played on a neutral court theoretically Texas would have thumped Kansas by 15.
Is that really better than Duke's 5 point loss at Florida State, an NCAA tournament team?  I don't think it's clear at all.
But Kansas' 16 point shellacking at Kansas St is definitely worse than Duke's 15 point loss to St John's, a top 25 ranked and likely NCAA tournament team.  Plus Duke destroyed Kansas St at Kansas City by 14 points.
Bottom line the two sets of losses are at least comparable, and I actually think Kansas' losses are slightly worse overall.



Since: Nov 6, 2008
Posted on: February 21, 2011 9:49 am
 

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Actually Kansas PASTED K-State AT HOME (BY 20), the loss you're referring was @KSU. And if you really think that a home loss to UT equates to a road loss @FSU then your hopeless. UT is a Top 10 team in every ranking metric you'd care to look at (including most analyst/expert eye test's), I must've missed where FSU was being talked about in those conversations.



Since: Dec 15, 2009
Posted on: February 21, 2011 9:39 am
 

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Well, , you can use numbers, I try to use my eyes and common sense. Losing at home is worse than losing on the road. Home loss to Texas is similar to road loss to Florida State, in that Florida State is a good defensive team, 9-3 in conference, and a tourney team. Maybe their numbers are lower than Texas, but neither is a "bad" loss. Being blown out by K-State AT HOME is much worse than being blown out by St. John on the road. Plus Duke beat K-State in a game that was neutral in name only.

So both Kansas and Duke have one ok loss, and one bad loss. Both of Kansas' losses occured at home, where they have home advantage, rabid crowd and slight referee bias (which all home teams have). Duke has the edge over results with common opponents.



Since: Nov 6, 2008
Posted on: February 21, 2011 9:18 am
 

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I'm not sure what measure(s) you're looking at where St. Johns & Florida State aren't worse losses than Texas & K-State. Not KenPom, not RPI, not AP/Coaches. Especially the crackpot who equated the Florida State and Texas losses. Comical.



Since: Mar 18, 2009
Posted on: February 21, 2011 1:31 am
 

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Lose twice in a 10 day span and move up to #1.
This is a valid point. Regardless of how good the opponents were, it just doesn't seem right having a team at #1 that has lost 2 of their last 3 games.



Since: Jan 19, 2009
Posted on: February 21, 2011 12:32 am
 

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Part of the problem with all of this is the insistence of using RPI as the defining metric of who's good and who's not.  Do you really believe the RPI is the best measure?  Because many studies show other metrics like the polls, KenPom and Sagarin are better predictors than the RPI.  Then why do we keep going back to it?

It's funny to see Parrish talk about efficiency and KenPom like they were gospel, and then turnaround and use RPI as the primary metric in February.

In KenPom, Duke is currently #2 and that's before the system will get updated with Ohio St's loss and Duke's Georgia Tech win.  In the Sagarin, again updated only to Feb 19, Duke is #3.

You ask, who has Duke beaten?

Well, who has Kansas beaten?  Their best win thus far is Arizona (#16 on neutral court according to KP) and Missouri (#24 at home).  Is that really more impressive than Duke's wins of UNC (#12 at home) and Maryland (#18 home and away)?  And as another poster wrote about, Kansas' losses are worse than Duke's.

Now how about Texas?  They have only three top tier wins: Illinois (#21 but in OT), UNC (#12 and only by 2, and this is before UNC became good), and Kansas (#3).  Aside from Kansas, their wins aren't any better than Duke's.  But Texas' losses are much worse -- destroyed by USC (#48 by 17 points) and Nebraska (#43).

The San Diego State story is a nice one, but this is a team that beat up a lot of middling teams and lost to the only good team they played against at BYU.  Who has the Aztecs beaten?  UNLV (#28) is their best win!

My top five would be...
#1 Ohio State
#2 Duke
#3 Pittsburgh
#4 Texas
#5 Kansas



Since: Dec 15, 2009
Posted on: February 20, 2011 11:37 pm
 

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The ACC is not over-rated this season...because most people agree it is terrible. I am a huge ACC fan, and I think 4 bids is pushing it. They will probably get 5, but they don't deserve it. But Duke has beaten K-State in a virtual road game, Michigan State when they were tougher than they are now, and North Carolina. Rating conferences is hard, but the Big 10 and the Big 12 are certainly not as strong as previously thought. And Big East with Basketball is like SEC in Football, it is assumed they are great, and therefore beating each other is seen as an amazing accomplishment. 

At this point in the season, not losing is the key. Conference games are tough because you are playing teams that know you well, coached against you before, and, for Duke, Ohio State, Texas and Pitt, are gunning to beat teh conference leader. Not buckling under that should be taken into consideration.

Duke cannot change its schedule, but before the season started did you think K-State, Michigan State and Butler would be this bad?



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