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The Poll Attacks

Posted on: February 21, 2011 2:49 pm
Edited on: February 21, 2011 3:12 pm
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Pittsburgh is fourth in the AP poll and sixth in the coaches poll.

And two AP voters ranked the Panthers ninth.

I won't stand for any of it.

I'm about to get my Poll Attack on.

(Details of AP ballots courtesy of PollSpeak.com.)

Associated Press poll: For the AP portion of this week's Poll Attacks, let's play blind body of work.

You ready?

Let's go!

----- TEAM A -----

Record: 24-3
Record vs. RPI Top 25: 6-2
Record vs. RPI Top 50: 7-3
Losses outside RPI Top 25: 1
Double-digit losses: 0
Wins over teams currently ranked in the AP poll: 5

----- TEAM B -----

Record: 23-4
Record vs. RPI Top 25: 0-2
Record vs. RPI Top 50: 2-3
Losses outside RPI Top 25: 2
Double-digit losses: 2
Wins over teams currently ranked in the AP poll: 0

Team A is Pittsburgh and Team B is Arizona.

Is there any question which team has the better body of work?

Pittsburgh has more wins, fewer losses, better wins and better losses than Arizona, and the Panthers have beaten five currently ranked teams while Arizona has topped zero. Still, Jerry Tipton and Myron Medcalf both have Arizona ranked No. 8 and Pittsburgh ranked No. 9. This is proof that it's possible to be a great beat writer and still slip on your Top 25 ballot every once in a while. They're wrong, but I forgive them. As for the coaches ...

Coaches poll: The Duke Blue Devils are No. 1 in the AP and coaches polls even though they have just one win over a fellow Top 25 team (North Carolina). Even though they have a loss to an unranked team (Florida State) and another by 15 points to a team (St. John's) that just broke into the rankings this week. Even though they are sixth in the RPI. And even though they are still projected as a No. 2 seed in the NCAA tournament by everybody who understands how to project such things.

So the top of both polls are silly.

But what bothers me most is Pittsburgh at No. 6 in the coaches poll.

I don't care if you rank by body of work or quality of play, there's no way to conclude that five teams deserve to be ranked ahead of Jamie Dixon's Panthers. As I told you earlier, Pitt is 24-3 with five wins over teams also ranked in the coaches poll -- specifically No. 5 Texas, No. 11 Georgetown, No. 14 Villanova, No. 15 Connecticut and No. 20 Syracuse. For the purposes of comparison, No. 1 Duke (25-2) has one win over a team also ranked in the coaches poll. No. 2 Kansas (25-2) has two. No. 3 Ohio State (25-2) has two. No. 4 San Diego State (27-1) has zero. No. 5 Texas (23-4) has five.

In the loss column, obviously, Ohio State is best. The Buckeyes' only two losses are at No. 8 Purdue and at No. 12 Wisconsin. They're the lone team with at least six wins over top-50 RPI schools and zero losses to schools unranked in the latest coaches poll, which is why I put Ohio State No. 1 in the Top 25 (and one). For the purposes of comparison, No. 1 Duke has lost to one currently unranked team (again, Florida State), No. 2 Kansas has lost to one currently unranked team (Kansas State), No. 4 San Diego State has lost to zero currently unranked teams and No. 5 Texas has lost to two currently unranked teams (Southern California and Nebraska).

Got all that?

Good.

Here's what it means: Texas might have comparable wins to Pittsburgh, but the Longhorns have worse losses (not to mention a loss to Pittsburgh). And Duke, Kansas and San Diego State might have better (and by better, I mean fewer) losses than Pittsburgh, but the Blue Devils, Jayhawks and Aztecs can't touch Pitt in terms of quality wins. Ohio State? Yes, OSU is rock-solid; that's why I have OSU No. 1. But it's difficult to justify having anybody besides Ohio State ahead of the Panthers, and it's impossible to justify having a total of five schools ahead of Pittsburgh.

That said, know this: Pitt would without question be a No. 1 seed if the NCAA tournament started today

So take solace in that, Pitt fans.

The selection committee is smarter than the men who vote in the coaches poll, I assure you.
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Comments

Since: Feb 21, 2011
Posted on: February 22, 2011 8:20 pm
 

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Since: May 15, 2007
Posted on: February 22, 2011 4:20 pm
 

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Wrong Parrish as usual, I assure you there are two and only two voters that got it right those that voted for BYU as #1.  BYU and SDSU would destroy both Pitt and Duke along with the other overated teams especially Ohio State.  But unlike football there will only be one TRUE Champion at the end.  Yeah TCU would have beated bogus Auburn and Utah would have beaten another bogus BCS champion that year Florida, etc, etc. 




Since: Oct 30, 2006
Posted on: February 22, 2011 3:53 pm
 

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How the hell is Louisville ranked behind UConn despite 2 head to head wins, and fewer ncaa sanctions?



Since: Oct 30, 2006
Posted on: February 22, 2011 3:46 pm
 

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Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: February 22, 2011 1:56 pm
 

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I am still curious since no one has answered,  when was the last time a team lost a game and it was followed up by giving them a #1 ranking???

Good question, but I'm not curious enough to research it either.  When was the last time that #'s 1-4 all lost in the same week?  I think CBS said 2003, so what we saw last week was unusual to say the least.  I would have had no problem with any of those 4 at #1.  Not that I have any problem with Duke jumping to the top.  Who is #1 at this point is not worth getting worked up over.



Since: Feb 22, 2011
Posted on: February 22, 2011 1:55 pm
 

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I love the Duke haters and criticizers.  They are the number one team in the nation (for the second time) and yet nobody thinks they are worthy.
First of all...this year's non-conferene schedule was better than most other years for a Duke Team.
They played : St. Johns, Marquette, Butler, Kansas St., Mich. St, and Temple (result to be determined).
They beat Marquette, Kansas St., Mich St. and Butler.
When they played K. State (they were ranked 4th), and Mich St. (they were ranked 6th)
Butler was a top 25 team to start the season and fell off.
Marquette, St. Johns and Temple are all tourney teams.
St. Johns was a tough loss...but after seeing the body of work St. Johns has put together, everyone can see that St. Johns can play with anyone.
Let's give Duke a little credit.
They are not a great team.
I don't think that team exists this year.
There are a handful of teams this year that can win it all: Duke, Texas, Kansas, Pitt, and Ohio St.
But then again, there are a lot of teams that can get on a run (like last year's Duke) and win it all too: Georgetown, Arizona, UNC, Wisconsin, Purdue, Nova....
This will be a great year for the tournament because we won't need to wait for the second weekend for great matchups.
So for all the Duke haters out there, they deserve to be where they are right now: no. 1.



Since: Jun 14, 2007
Posted on: February 22, 2011 1:54 pm
 

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Couldn't have said it any better NitroBuck.  It's nice to know that not everybody on this site is a moron.

Do some of you people even use your brain on a daily basis?  The brain can be a powerful tool if you use it once and awhile.



Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: February 22, 2011 1:48 pm
 

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*meant to say Duke or Kansas don't make it past round 2




Since: Aug 8, 2008
Posted on: February 22, 2011 1:47 pm
 

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I am still curious since no one has answered,  when was the last time a team lost a game and it was followed up by giving them a #1 ranking???



Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: February 22, 2011 1:36 pm
 

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ONLY FAIR WAY ....DRAW FROM HAT 1ST 32 GAMES....THEN DRAW FROM HAT NEXT 16 GAMES  DRAW FROM
HAT NEXT 8 GAMES DRAW FROM HAT NEXT 4 GAMES  DRAW FROM HAT NEXT 2 GAMES THEN THE 2 LEFT PLAY FOR
CROWN


Congrats mfaoya!!!  That is the most asinine post I've read on these boards in several months.  Which is really saying something.
 
Doing things your way, how fair would it be if 2 schools that barely make the field draw each other?  Or how about if two likely Final 4 teams drew each other in the first round?  We might have Western Carolina playing Texas Southern in one game, and Duke vs Kansas in another round 1 game. 

Then you would have them draw names again.  Maybe lightning strikes twice, with Duke drawing Pitt while Texas Southern draws Bethune Cookman.  We could end up with Texas Southern (15-10) or Bethune Cookman (17-11) in the Sweet-16 while Duke and Kansas don't make it past round 2.  How fair is that?

By the way, STOP SHOUTING.



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