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The Poll Attacks (but not really)

Posted on: March 10, 2008 7:28 pm
 

I don't feel like Poll Attacking today.

So I'm not going to Poll Attack today.

But if I did what I would tell you is that it's insane that Davidson is ranked, and haven't we been through this before? The Wildcats are 23rd in the AP poll and 25th in the Coaches poll -- a development that suggests the voting coaches might be slightly smarter than the voting writers, and I'm sure Bob Knight will be thrilled to hear about this revelation. I mean, seriously, do these people even take the time to put into context what Davidson has really done? It doesn't appear so, because if they did they'd realize that Davidson hasn't really done anything except beat a bunch of bad teams in its remarkably bad league.

The Southern Conference is ranked 21st out of 31 conferences at CollegeRPI.com

The average RPI of the 10 members not named Davidson is 210.

Nobody not named Davidson is better than 129.

So why should anybody consider Davidson a Top 25 team based on nothing more than the fact that it has run through this bunch of junk without incident? And make no mistake, there is nothing else to base the ranking upon because not only have the Wildcats not beaten a Top 100 opponent this season, they haven't beaten a Top 100 opponent since Nov. 26, 2005 when they edged Saint Joseph's in overtime. Since then it's been 13 straight losses to Top 100 opponents, and five of those Top 100 losses have come this season. So it's not like Davidson hasn't had opportunities to notch big wins. It's just that it can't notch big wins because it's not a legitimate Top 25 team, and you'll see how correct I am when the Wildcats' seed in the NCAA tournament doesn't line up with their Top 25 ranking.

But none of that matters, really.

Because I don't feel like Poll Attacking today.

What I'd rather do is get you up to date on what's going to be happening here this week.

The first thing you need to know is that I'm going to update the Projecting the Field and Projecting the Seeds every morning through Selection Sunday. It's that time of the year. I'll keep you informed as best I can. On Tuesday, I'll present the CBSSports.com Conference Awards, where I'll name the Player of the Year, Freshman of the Year and Coach of the Year from the top 16 leagues. Then on Wednesday, I'll present the CBSSports.com National Awards, where I'll name the National Player of the Year, National Freshman of the Year and National Coach of the Year -- along with the All-America and Freshman All-America teams. And while I'm doing all this I'll also be filing our annual Gettin' In reports that are basically a form of the Monday Look Back you see every Monday throughout the season, only real difference being that they will be filed every night starting Wednesday night (and none of them will have the word "Monday" in the title).

Anyway, that's that.

It should be a busy week.

So let me get back to work now.

And don't forget what I told you about Davidson.
Category: NCAAB
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Since: Dec 19, 2007
Posted on: March 16, 2008 7:34 pm
 

The Poll Attacks (but not really)

You guys obviously didn't even pay attention to Davidson untill people on ESPN started talking about them. Sure their conference sucks, but what are they going to do about it. Not to compare them to Memphis, because its obvious Davidson is no where close the Memphis, but is the southern conference really that much worse than conference usa? Stephen Curry is one of the best players in the nation, and Bob McKillop is one of the best coaches in the nation. Davidson probably deserves the 10 seed...you cant really expect them to get much higher than that, but Gonzaga? They lost to San Diego only 5 days ago. I believe San Diego got a 13 seed...and if i recall correctly, Davidson STOMPED another 13 seed in Winthrop hardly 2 weeks ago. This Davidson team has been hyped up by quite a few anylists on ESPN, but i still think that sports fans as a whole are under-rating them. This team in for real! They can shoot the rock better than anybody, have the 5th leading scorer in the nation, and the leading assist man in the nation, and their 10th man off the bench is arguable as good as their 2nd best starter (Curry is the best player by far). But more importantly, this team is well coached, and plays good, fundamental basketball, which is hard to come by these days (just look what that combination has brought Duke and UNC). Davidson is a force to be reckoned with, and although it may be a asking a little much...It wouldnt shock me to see Davidson put up one heck of a fight against Georgetown...after they rock Gonzaga in Raleigh (basically a home game for them...gonzaga...not so much).

If any of you ban-wagon fans wanna get of Gary Parrish's back and actually do your research, you would see that this team only lost to UNC by 4, Duke by 6, UCLA by 11, and won their conference tournament with ease. Watch out...this team has the potential to be a legit bracket buster....JUST LISTEN TO DICKY V BABY!!!




Since: Feb 6, 2008
Posted on: March 12, 2008 12:11 pm
 

The Poll Attacks (but not really)

It was a sarcastic question, dude.  Didn't you catch the blood pressure reference? Or do you really believe anybody out there thinks Davidson is in the same class as Memphis.  We all know you're a Tiger High Homer but chill out, it's only NCAA basketball, not real life.



Since: Mar 10, 2008
Posted on: March 12, 2008 11:30 am
 

The Poll Attacks (but not really)

Another way to look at it. Just curious how Davidson's record against RPI 100 and above teams at home and on the road compares to others in the tournament or on the bubble? Let's see. Davidson 25-1; Arkansas 13-4; Ole Miss 14-5; Vanderbilt 14-1; Miami 11-2; Michigan St 18-2; Pittsburg 14-2. Most of the big conference schools played a higher proportion of these teams at home, so Davidson "taking care of business" is fairly impressive. Three of their loses came against top 5 teams. Only Vanderbilt and Miami on this list can claim a win against a top 5 team.




Since: Jan 10, 2008
Posted on: March 11, 2008 10:47 pm
 

The Parrish Attacks (yes... really)

Wow. What an intelligent, well-researched article. Just a few little flaws...

Parrish: "I mean, seriously, do these people even take the time to put into context what Davidson has really done? It doesn't appear so, because if they did they'd realize that Davidson hasn't really done anything except beat a bunch of bad teams in its remarkably bad league... So why should anybody consider Davidson a Top 25 team based on nothing more than the fact that it has run through this bunch of junk without incident?"

Reality: Let's name a few teams that couldn't run through just one game from "this bunch of junk" Southern Conference without incident (using cbssportsline.com RPIs). Notice all of these wins are on the road.

Davidson @ Winthrop (RPI 97)

UNCG @ GT (79)

Georgia Southern @ Cleveland State (69)

College of Charleston @ Temple (58)

Georgia Southern @ UAB (43)

App. St @ Arkansas (40)

Wofford @ Purdue (34)

Guess what Parrish? The team (Purdue) you have ranked 14th (and 15th in AP and Coaches) could not even manage to win one game at home against this "junk" (Wofford, whom I believe Davidson beat 3 times). That 23 straight is looking a lot better.

Parrish: "And make no mistake, there is nothing else to base the ranking upon because not only have the Wildcats not beaten a Top 100 opponent this season, they haven't beaten a Top 100 opponent since Nov. 26, 2005 when they edged Saint Joseph's in overtime."

Reality: Davidson 60 @ Winthrop (RPI 97) 47 February 22, 2008

  Did you happen to see who won the Big South?

Parrish: "College athletics at this level are designed to minimize the so-called little guys as much as possible via a lack off television contracts and invitations to marquee neutral site events, etc. That's why it's hard being a San Diego. Or a South Alabama. Or a Western Kentucky. Or a Saint Mary's. So if this happens to be a year when an unusual amount of non-BCS schools make the NCAA tournament based on a fluky turn of events on a wild Monday night, count me among those who has no problem with it, among those who kind of enjoyed watching the San Diego students storm the court and celebrate an achievement many high-major programs would rather them never achieve."

Stupidity: I'd say Davidson (enrollment 1,700) qualifies as a "little guy." If you're going to bash a mid-major for its success, at least be smart enough not to post an article claiming your support for the "little guy" right after it. It really exposes you for what you are. Pander all you want. You need the popularity.



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Since: Nov 7, 2006
Posted on: March 11, 2008 9:24 pm
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Since: Nov 15, 2006
Posted on: March 11, 2008 5:59 pm
 

The Poll Attacks (but not really)

Davidson not deserving of a Top 25 spot? Bring back Gregg Doyel, I can't imagine him ever posting something this idiotic.



Since: Feb 27, 2007
Posted on: March 11, 2008 5:35 pm
 

The Poll Attacks (but not really)

Well, obvious you do not realize that the 64 teams that go should be the 64 teams with the best record, not 6 from the big10 with 18-12 records nor KENTUCKY with 18-11
Well, there goes the incentive to actually schedule real teams instead of doing like Nebraska and Florida this year and loading up on more cupcakes than a Little Debbie warehouse. And the incentive for teams like Syracuse to actually leave their home state once in a while.

If teams played a similar schedule, I'd be all for just deciding it by record. But they don't. Put one of those teams that runs amok in an awful conference in one of the big conferences (even the SEC, which is mediocre this year outside of Tennessee and Vandy), and virtually all of them would need miracles to go 8-8. (Davidson is one of the few in a conference below #10 that would actually stand a chance in one of the big conferences, along with Butler, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, and maybe VCU/South Alabama if they were lucky.) If Davidson loses in their conference tourney, I'm not sure they get in, because every time they've played anyone even remotely good, they've lost. (The fact that they were close losses might help, but I wouldn't count on it.)

The big conferences get more bids because those teams are just plain better. And they prove it by regularly beating the snot out of these "great" teams from the bad leagues.



Since: Dec 30, 2007
Posted on: March 11, 2008 3:07 pm
 

The Poll Attacks (but not really)

Apply to Memphis? How do you get that? This has got to be one of the dumbest questions ever posted.

Memphis has beat three teams currently ranked in the top 20.

Yes, CUSA is not good, but UAB is top 50 RPI, better than 6 SEC teams. Houston is RPI 66, virtually tied with Florida and better than 5 other SEC teams. Memphis has beaten both of them twice.

Memphis is 8-1 vs. top 50, Davidson is 0-3. Memphis is 12-1 against the top 100, Davidson is 0-5.

Memphis has made it to the elite eight two years running, further than your TN team, with the same core of players and this year they added Derrick Rose.

I'm not saying Memphis is better than TN, so don't start with that, but to compare them to Davidson is ludicrous.

My blood pressure isn't up unless it's from laughing so hard at the idiotic question you posed.




Since: Feb 1, 2007
Posted on: March 11, 2008 2:00 pm
 

The Poll Attacks (but not really)

I agree with everything Parrish has written about Davidson.  I feel confident that their seeding will not jibe with their current standing in the polls, thus setting up a very difficult first round matchup for them.  Having said that, if the talented Stephen Curry gets hot, and the game is close, there is every possibility that this is the year the Wildcats make some noise in the tourney.

Maryland fans (such as myself) know about this team; we've played them 2 out of the last 3 years in the postseason (1 NIT, 1 NCAA) and struggled to beat them both times.  Regardless of the non-competitive conference they belong to, and the lack of quality wins against high-ranked opponents this year, any team who doesn't take Davidson seriously in the first round will experience an early exit from the tourney...Curry is that good and more than capable of taking a game over.




Since: Mar 11, 2007
Posted on: March 11, 2008 1:11 pm
 

The Poll Attacks (but not really)

Well, obvious you do not realize that the 64 teams that go should be the 64 teams with the best record, not 6 from the big10 with 18-12 records nor KENTUCKY with 18-11

About Davidson:

Has Nations longest winning streak

Undefeated in Conference Play

So, yes they deserve to be ranked and also go to big dance.

Have you forgotten Hawaii triump over Virgina and Ralph Samson.

How about in football APP St ovr MICHIGAN

Too long have the polls and selection commitee rave on about 7 teams from big10 making the dance and only 4 should go this year. But I realize it's all for the DOUGH-------bet you there will be a team with a 24-7 record that don't make it cause teams from big10 bigeast acc and se and pac12  get 6 invites  NOT FAIR  should be no such thing as SOS or RPI  stupid



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