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Is the arm considered part of the ball?

Posted on: March 23, 2008 4:41 am

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. -- Donald Sloan is the Texas A&M player who took the last shot against UCLA.

Some people believe he was fouled on the play.

And pictures seem to back that opinion.

But I'll let you be the judge.

Click this link and look.

Discuss below.
Category: NCAAB

Since: Sep 9, 2006
Posted on: March 30, 2008 3:07 pm

Is the arm considered part of the ball?

THAT WAS A FOUL. The calls UCLA has been getting are absurd. I am disgusted to see this happen. NCAA officials are basically criminals getting away with this type of garbage!

Since: Dec 7, 2006
Posted on: March 30, 2008 11:41 am

Is the arm considered part of the ball?

Love kept his back to the basket when the "roll" was being maneuvered. No exactly a roll, now, is it? Anything else, brainiac? I hope UCLA meets UNC in the final and Hansborough will show to world how overrated Kevin "no" Love really is....

Since: Apr 1, 2007
Posted on: March 30, 2008 1:40 am

Is the arm considered part of the ball?

This is the most ridiculous post I've seen in a long time.  I don't know what's more insane:  (1) The lack of knowledge of the rules of the game, (2) the incredibly one-sided view of the officiating, (3) the ignorant opinion that Kevin Love is overrated, or (4) the borderline racist tint of the comment.

To educate you, it's called a pick and roll.  An offensive player is allowed to screen the defensive player, and then roll to call for the ball, pinning the defensive player behind him.  It is a fundamental move.

The officiating was poor on both sides of the ball.  What about Collison getting thrown to the floor and being called for the foul?

You have obviously never watched Kevin Love play to call him overrated.  There were two freshmen in the country that averaged a double-double - Beasley and Love.  The guy can rebound as well as anybody I've seen.  He has great vision for the court and throws the most amazing outlet passes.  He may not be the best athlete, but he is one hell of a basketball player.

Since: Dec 3, 2007
Posted on: March 26, 2008 7:36 pm

Is the arm considered part of the ball?

Oh come on.  The same is true for all the 'elite' teams.  They get calls other teams don't.  It's always happened and it always will.  Sometimes though, it comes back to bite them in the ass.  Kansas for example never has much of a problem in the Big 12 because they can play however they want.  That's why they never last in the tournament.  They get frustrated and can't adjust.

Since: Nov 28, 2007
Posted on: March 24, 2008 7:59 pm

Is the arm considered part of the ball?

I know A&M blew a big lead and only scored 5 points in the last 10 minutes. But You can't say that A&M wouldn't have won anyway. You don't know that! A&M could have drained both free throws(Sloan has been clutch lately in late game shots and free throws, that free throw % doesn't mean anything). We could have gone and one in ot. You just can't dismiss us because you are the great ucla bruins who are unstoppable( I'm being sarcastic). That is ignorant and stupid. IT WAS A FOUL, PLAIN AND CLEAR.

Since: Jan 10, 2008
Posted on: March 24, 2008 7:23 pm

Is the arm considered part of the ball?

First, no need to be so jealous.  Kevin Love looked like the best player in the country Saturday, not an overrated player (and why should race matter in that analysis).  He blocked 7 A&M shots and scored 19 points, including two incredible fadeways to tie and go ahead.  Second, learn the rules of basketball.  It is not a moving screen if nobody makes contact with you.  Love set a screen, then rolled to the basketball.  Sounds pretty basic to me.  While you have that rule book out, check and see if throwing a guy to the floor is a foul.  Collison got tossed to the floor and he was called for the foul, not A&M.  Westbook also got called for a crucial late game foul diving for loose ball, which was an awful call.  The officials that called the game should be done for the year.  too many bad calls, and an inconsistently called game.  As many others have said, A&M would have lost anyway.  UCLA made a great comeback .  The team that should have won did win.  In the end, they outplayed A&M - barely.

Since: Jan 30, 2007
Posted on: March 24, 2008 5:57 pm

Is the arm considered part of the ball?

I am not a fan of either team.  To answer the question asked, that was a foul.  It should not make a difference, if this was done in the first 30 seconds of the game or the last 3 seconds of a game, IT IS A FOUL by defination.  I do not think the rule book has any rules in it that say in the last 1  minute of a game full contact is allowed, we all know officials allow more contact at the end of a game because they do not want to be involved in the outcome of the final but more times than not by their lack of a call they are making a difference. 

Since: Dec 7, 2006
Posted on: March 24, 2008 12:40 pm

Is the arm considered part of the ball?

For some of the college basketball fans out there to say refs don't call tacky fouls at the end of games and let the players play is onething. When a player, going up for a shot, gets HANDCUFFED and lands on his back, should be called 100% OF THE DAMN GAME!!!! The Aggies didn't help themselves, but that's not the point. Rules are put in games for a reason - so the game is fairly played on both sides of the ball.

What no-call was worse?

Kevin Love's moving screen from the free throw line to the basket?

Sloan's handcuffs at the end of the game?

You be the judge.

PS- Kevin Love is an overrated whiteboy wearing a UCLA jersey. That's the only reason he get's any air-time. Yawn....

Since: Apr 1, 2007
Posted on: March 24, 2008 1:44 am

Is the arm considered part of the ball?

The officiating was bizarre on both sides of the ball.  Without a doubt, Sloan got fouled by both Shipp and Collison.

The officiating was inconsistent all game.  The officials allowed players to get mugged in the paint all day long.  But, there were an inordinate amount of fouls called away from the ball.  That foul on Collison when Sloan threw him to the ground was ridiculous.  The foul on Westbrook in the scramble for the ball was terrible.

But, this debate is pointless.  It was a poorly officiated game.  UCLA won because A&M couldn't score in the last 10 minutes.  A&M's prospects were not good, even if the foul was called.  A&M would have a 67% free throw shooter on the line, UCLA would the last shot and all the momentum going into overtime.

UCLA survived and moved on.  A&M has a tremendous future under Turgeon, and should be proud of what it has to look forward to.

Since: Feb 11, 2008
Posted on: March 23, 2008 11:54 pm

Is the arm considered part of the ball?

will not apologize but instead offer congratulations upon your extensive wikipedian research on etymology.  however, you, sir, should realize that the meaning of a phrase does not end with its etymology.  the meaning of a word or phrase evolves over time.  i am sure that, in you exhaustive research, you came across the more controversial interpretations of this phrase. in any case, there are two reasons why you chose to use the phrase you did:

1)  You were aware of the possible connotation and chose to use the phrase anyway.

2)  You were ignorant of the possible negative connotation of the phrase.

if 1) above is correct, then shame on you.  if 2) above is correct, then consider yourself educated.

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