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Dear Gary (on UNC, Elite Camps, etc)

Posted on: August 5, 2008 1:26 am
Edited on: August 5, 2008 1:46 am
 

Here's Tuesday's Dear Gary ...

Dear Gary: I have a few questions for you about college basketball. I know North Carolina holds some kind of tournament or skills camp at the Dean Dome for high school players every summer. Is that the same thing as an Elite Camp?  Also every summer I hear about how our players get to play against UNC alums (NBA players former and current) in pickup games. I know that if you play on/against a professional sports team before you go to college you lose your amateur status. Why can you play against a pro once you're in college?  Does it have to do with the NBA players taking summer school classes?  I also wanted to say THANKS for giving us real coverage of college basketball and the way things really work in recruiting and officiating.  It's always a real eye-opener and NO ONE else does it nationally that I have found. Keep up the good work!

-- Chris
 
OK, Chris.

Let's take these one at a time.

Q: I know North Carolina holds some kind of tournament or skills camp at the Dean Dome for high school players every summer. Is that the same thing as an Elite Camp?

A: I believe what you're referencing is the Bob Gibbons Tournament of Champions, which is one of the more prestigious AAU tournaments. It's an annual event that attracts most of the best summer teams to the campuses of North Carolina, Duke and North Carolina State each May. And though it's another "creative" way to get prospects on campus (for UNC, Duke and N.C. State, at least), no, it is not an Elite Camp. The Elite Camp is something totally different.

Q: Also every summer I hear about how our players get to play against UNC alums (NBA players former and current) in pickup games. I know that if you play on/against a professional sports team before you go to college you lose your amateur status. Why can you play against a pro once you're in college?  Does it have to do with the NBA players taking summer school classes?

A: Those games you hear about are between former Tar Heels and current Tar Heels, and they are OK because, well, I don't really know. I just know they are OK, per NCAA rules. Where schools run into problems -- like UNC did with Iman Shumpert -- is when recruits participate in pick-up games -- or have any substantial interaction - with former players because former players are considered representatives of the school (just like boosters) and are thus forbidden from interaction with recruits. Simplified, recruits can talk with current students and current players but not with former students or former players (but former players can hang with current players all day long).

(Does that make sense?)

As for the part about former players taking summer school classes, well, that's the loophole, if you will. Remember the Shumpert story from last year? It was OK for him to talk with Marvin Williams and Raymond Felton because they were enrolled in summer classes and were labeled as current students and allowed current students' rights. Sean May, on the other hand, was not enrolled in summer classes at the time. Consequently, he was considered a former player and representative of North Carolina, which means he was forbidden from interacting with a prospect like Shumpert.

(Does that make sense?)

Anyway, I hope that cleared some things up.

And, in all seriousness, thanks for the kind words at the end of your note.

You keep reading.

I'll keep trying to tell you how things really work, best I can.

Comments

Since: Aug 5, 2008
Posted on: August 6, 2008 11:45 am
 

Dear Gary (on UNC, Elite Camps, etc)

Thank you boys, cute and informative, maybe I should trade mine in for an upgrade. 

They happened to be arguing the 01-10 idea.  Since it's not an exact science I guess it's debatable.  I've been doing a little homework, simply because I wanted to be right and throw it in his face.

Thanks again for the quick information.

 




Since: Jun 6, 2008
Posted on: August 5, 2008 12:23 pm
 

Dear Gary (on UNC, Elite Camps, etc)

Hey Gary,

I think the reason former players are aloud to play with current player is because these games are considered pick-up games nad the coaching staff is not involved.  All games, teams, and rules are organized by the players (current and former) and they are open to anyone.  Dookies are also known to make the trip to the Dean Dome for a little ballin'.  The coach has to ask the NCAA for permission (like when Obama stopped by for a pick-up game) to be involved.  I'm sure the coaching staff observes from a distance.




Since: Feb 8, 2007
Posted on: August 5, 2008 12:04 pm
 

Dear Gary (on UNC, Elite Camps, etc)


OK, that makes sense, DistrictFan.

But I'm still siding with the cheerleader.

She's tan and sexy, for crying out loud.



Since: Sep 4, 2006
Posted on: August 5, 2008 11:26 am
 

Dear Gary (on UNC, Elite Camps, etc)

I think the idea is that some people argue that since there was no year 0 AD that the first decade was from year 1 AD-year 10AD therefore every proceeding decade works the same way. 1-10; 11-20; 21-30 etc. So one could count decades in that manner. So this decade would be form 2001-2010.

I took this little excerpt from wikipedia:
"

The third millennium of the Gregorian calendar began on (rather than the popularly-celebrated ). This is a direct consequence of the absence of a year zero in the anno Domini era. Had there been a year zero, which might be considered part of the first millennium, then would indeed mark 2000 years since the year numbering datum and be the start of the third millennium.

Note that this also applies to centuries. Thus, the 20th century actually began on ."

based on this you can extrapolate to decades as well.




Since: Feb 8, 2007
Posted on: August 5, 2008 10:40 am
 

Dear Gary (on UNC, Elite Camps, etc)


I'm pretty sure I'd ignore this note if it came from anybody other than a "tan, sexy chearleader."

But I'm a sucker for those, I guess.

Anyway, HurricaneHottie, I can't see why you would be incorrect. Far as I know, decades run from 1990-1999 to 2000-2009, etc. I can't even see how it could be interpreted any other way. When you hear about the Roaring Twenties that's the 1920s, which means from 1920 to 1929. So I think you're right and those stupid guys at the party were wrong. Tell them I said so.

gary



Since: Aug 5, 2008
Posted on: August 5, 2008 8:44 am
 

Can you help this Hurricane Cheerleader?

I can dance and cheer while I shake my butt and boobs but I don't know alot about sports. 

Last weekend at a party a bunch of guys were debating when the start of a decade begins in terms of sports?

3 were saying USC had the best record and two titles this decade therefore the best team.

A few were arguing in favor of LSU and other teams, I think OU.

For Example, was Oklahoma the first champion of this decade?

Or was it us, Miami?

Every thing I have ever seen or heard refering to sports champions starts with 1970 to1979 or 1980 to 1989.

I was assuming it would of been 2000 to 2009 so OU would be the answer. 

I thought that is how it worked in sports but I was told I was wrong.

I guess I don't understand the reasoning? 

You seem to be smart and respected on this site and I need an answer.  Can you help this tan sexy cheerleader?

 

Thanks

 

 

 



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