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The Orioles Should Not Be Trade Deadline Players

Posted on: June 18, 2009 2:08 pm
Edited on: June 18, 2009 6:32 pm
There is so much talk about trading some of the Orioles veterans to obtain prospects. I think that the O's would be better off if they did absolutely nothing at the trading deadline with any veteran position player. Some spare parts in the bullpen, perhaps, but that's it. Here's why:

The Orioles don't need prospects that will take two or three years to develop. The offense is very good now and with just a tweaking could get better without going outside of the organization. Why mess around with a good thing? Andy McPhail has already stated that negotiations on a contract extension with Aubrey Huff is under way. That's good news and about time. Huff can play 1B (fairly well too), 3B and both corner outfield spots. If Brandon Snyder continues his demolition of AA ball, he could be at Norfolk to start the second half of the season and in Baltimore next year. He would follow Nolan Reimold and Matt Wieters as the next good hitting prospect. The real dilemna is whether to take the option on Melvin Mora. IMO, I think Mora will heat up some in the second half and the O's will pick up his option. With Ty Wigginton and Cesar Izturis signed through next season, there is no need to look for a powerful bat off the bench or a shortstop via free agency. Gregg Zaun's option may also be picked up. If not, Chad Moeller will make his return to the club. Robert Andino would be the next order of business. He has been an excellent utility player off the bench and will have accrued only two service years after this season so the O's control his contract.. The biggest headache over the winter will be what to do with Felix Pie. He, too, will have just two service years, but like Andino, he is out of minor league options. I think he stays as the fourth outfielder until Snyder is called up to the parent club. That leaves Lou Montanez and Oscar Salazar on the outside looking in again. The Orioles will have the same look as last year with Snyder being called up in May similar to the way Wieters was.

The pitching staff will have a somewhat different look, but there will probably be no outsiders added. The starting rotation will have Jeremy Guthrie at the top followed by Brad Bergesen and Rich J. Hill. Chris Tillman, Troy Patton and Jake Arrieta will battle for the last two spots with the loser going to Norfolk to join lefties Zach Britton and Brian Matusz. The bullpen will still have George Sherrill, Jim R. Johnson and Chris Ray at the back, along with Koji Uehara, David Hernandez and Wilfrido Perez as upgrades in the middle innings. The last bullpen spot will come down to Chris Waters, Dennis Sarfate, Kam Mickolio, Brian Bass Mark Hendrickson, Matt Albers, Jim Miller and Jim Hoey. Although I'd prefer another lefty, I'd bet on Albers or Sarfate (if he fully recovers).

The offense will be better as this season progresses with youngsters Nolan Reimold and Matt Wieters learning the hitting nuances of the major leagues. It only seems resonable that the O's keep that potent offense to support the young pitching staff. Trading away Luke Scott or Huff would weaken the offensive punch and disturb the chemistry. The O's will have potent bats from the leadoff hitter through the number eight spot, with a speedy switch hiiting Izturis at the bottom.

The only trades I can see happening are the following:
Danys Baez is in a contract year and is an expensive bullpen arm. He will not fetch a ransome but perhaps a middle level prospect at the trading deadline.
Lou Montanez may be traded, but it won't be until this winter. same goes for Salazar.
Mark Hendrickson and Brian Bass, and any bullpen arm other than Sherrill, Johnson and Ray could also be moved.
The Orioles will not receive any prized prospects at all for any of their trading chips unless they trade Guthrie. Even Scott and Huff will not bring back a corner infielder of the future.
Trading Guthrie who makes just $0.65m but enters his arbitration years may make sense. He is the only Orioles non-rookie player (not named Brian Roberts, Adam Jones and Nick Markakis) other than Sherrill that would garner major interest and bring back a higher level prospect or two.

But I wouldn't be surprised if the Orioles did nothing at all or minor trading at best. The parts of a competitive team are either here or arriving daily (so it seems). Unless the O's get offers that blow them away, why trade Huff or Scott to take two steps backwards? I wouldn't.
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Since: Aug 20, 2008
Posted on: July 9, 2009 11:32 pm

The Orioles Should Not Be Trade Deadline Players

I think the O's should make a couple of minor moves to continue to strengthen a strong farm.

Remember when the O's use to spend a lot and underachieve, I think Angelos has learned from this and assuming he is still rich enough, he will spend significant amounts once the core is ready to contend. Soon the East will be Baltimore's division.  I think the Orioles can replace Huff in the offseason if they do trade him so it won't end up being a big step back since he is already 33. All depends how much they value his veteran leadership and experience.

Since: Nov 27, 2006
Posted on: July 9, 2009 4:45 pm

The Orioles Should Not Be Trade Deadline Players

Angelos will not have to worry about trading within Division.   Only Adams, Markakis, Weitner and Roberts would even get a 2nd look and none of them are on the block.   The comment that Guthrie would bring significant value is a joke.   He is a 5 slot pitcher at best on NYY, BoSox or TB.

Since: Mar 12, 2009
Posted on: July 5, 2009 11:58 am

The Orioles Should Not Be Trade Deadline Players

Yet we all know how Peter Angelos is and he won't trade within the AL EAST so if the release anybody b4 the deadline.... they will go to the central or west AL/NL...I feel bad in a way for the O's... they haven't had much luck and are always looking up at the other teams and the end of the seasonI like the O's.. just not the GM or Owner

Since: Dec 13, 2008
Posted on: July 2, 2009 9:30 am

The Orioles Should Not Be Trade Deadline Players

Excellent post. Personally I don't think the O's should make any roster moves at all. The management of the Orioles should be recognized for their astute eye for player development. They have a solid young core of offensive players and the pitching is all that has to be tweeked with. They also have a fine young pitching staff on the verge of becoming studs. It's just a matter of time with the O's, you would have to think they should become an important peice of the AL East puzzle within the next 2-3 years. The future looks bright, with that being said I would not expect them to be making any moves trading any any players.

Since: Aug 22, 2006
Posted on: June 29, 2009 11:50 pm

The Orioles Should Not Be Trade Deadline Players

This post is preposterous. ...This is a classic post from a homer fan who hasn't really given much thought to how players are valued.How wrong you are. I've been an Orioles fan for more than 40 years and certainly understand player value outside the "homer" arena. Nowhere in my blog entry does it say that any Orioles player would bring elite talent in return. But people like you said the same thing about an old and declining shortstop too. Yet the O's got plenty for Miguel Tejada. They raped the Mariners in the Erik Bedard trade as well. Bedard had only one decent season on his resume. The Orioles even received three big league players for Steve Trachsel while blind siding one of your Chicago teams. How did that work for the Cubbies? Teams do tend to panic late in July and some give up the house.

I always listen to and appreciate other informed views, however, you did not fully read or comprehend what I was saying in this article (which was a far cry from a homer type statement). Perhaps you just wanted to stir the pot with the Baltimore fans. Anyway, a fan from Chicago certainly has enough issues of his own with the White Sox and/or Cubs. The Bears and Bulls too. And if you hadn't noticed, its okay to be an Orioles "homer" on the Baltimore Orioles Boards.

Since: Jun 24, 2009
Posted on: June 25, 2009 12:01 am

The Orioles Should Not Be Trade Deadline Players

I agree with you completely. I am actually excited on what the future may bring for this franchise. The depth of talent in that organization has the potential to make the team true contenders and holding on on those prospects is the right thing to do. What the Orioles should do is slowly develop their pitching prospects starting with bringing up Tillman this year and then continuing that with Arrieta and Matusz next year. They have a solid core of young players with great offensive potential that should be togethr for a long time and I hope the O's don't mess things up. 

Since: May 28, 2009
Posted on: June 23, 2009 10:08 am

The Orioles Should Not Be Trade Deadline Players

Very good article.

Hopefully the Orioles ownerss do the right thing and stick with this team they have created.  The Bedard trade really helped them out and jump start this steam.  I ont see a reason too sell anymore players, let the prospects you have learn the game, build a fan bases for these players.  Fans love home grown players and Baltimore will definitely come out to see them.  Once the Orioles pitchers have some starts under their belt this could be a scary team.

Just think how crazy the AL East will be in 3 years.  I dont see the Yankees or  Red Sox laying down for these young up and coming teams.  They will spend more money and make sure they are contending for the division title.  The Rays have enough young players to stay relevant for  another 5 years.  Toronto could build off of what they did this year and might become better.  I think they need better pitching to truely contend.  And  then we have the new Orioiles.

The days of seeingthe Yanks and  Sox put up 95 wins is probably long gone now that they have true competion amongst them.  Thiss makes for some exicting baseball season in the future.  Cant wait.

Since: Apr 10, 2007
Posted on: June 20, 2009 6:16 pm

The Orioles Should Not Be Trade Deadline Players

What do you realistically think a package of Mora and Baez can bring?  Are you guys aware of the "player z" phenomenon?  30 starting positions, so some dog will end up at the 28th or 29th best slot and be in a position, if they're playing say, a corner position and batting in the middle of the lineup, to drive in 75+ runs.  Does that make them marketable to other teams? Not if they aren't a huge increment better than what the teams ahead of them have.  And a team that is making a run for a pennant will likely have much better options.  Teams that are closer in the talent pool that could use an upgrade, are not going to waste money on a washed up veteran.  The Orioles will not start to get better, or get value, unless they trade a marquee player like B Rob.  And having signed him to a long term extension, don't see that happening.   Maybe if they take a gamble and trade someone with upside who is peaking soon, like Nick the Stick.

Since: Jan 27, 2007
Posted on: June 20, 2009 6:16 pm

The Orioles Should Not Be Trade Deadline Players

I have not really understood the trade Huff threads on the Orioles board.  He fields at 1st base decent and has a good bat.  Keeping him there in Baltimore with Luke Scott's bat and now with Nolan Reimold playing good in left and also a decent bat, the Orioles offense is set along with Brian Roberts, Adam Jones, Nick Markakis and Matt Weiters.  If the Orioles can get more from the starting pitching as Rich Hill and Brad Bergesen are becoming the two best starters in the rotation, 2010 looks pretty bright.  Also the Orioles are eight games back of the Wild Card at this time, with over half a season left eight is a sizeable number, but it can be done as long as they keep winning.  Good write up by the way. 

Since: Apr 10, 2007
Posted on: June 20, 2009 6:11 pm

The Orioles Should Not Be Trade Deadline Players

This post is preposterous.  You're assuming the Orioles have assets to trade. Other than Roberts, who do they have?  Do you think anyone wants the excess crap they have on the roster? Likes of one dimensional players like Aubrey Huff, Melvin Mora, for prospects? The Orioles are a team full of rejects, guys like Ty Wiggington who needed some place and roster musical chairs ended.  Danys Baez will not fetch a "ransome"?  You think you can get value for Lou Montanez?  This is a classic post from a homer fan who hasn't really given much thought to how players are valued. The O's deserve credit for trying to start fresh with some youth, but they are many years away from being a real threat in the AL East.  Living in the Baltimore/DC area, they gotta do something about the atmopshere at Camden---fan interest there is just abysmal, unless the Yankees or Red Sox are in town with their out of town fans.

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