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Smart ruling

Posted on: December 5, 2008 4:55 pm

I usually don't like the courts getting involved in professional sports leagues. But I think the judge's ruling Friday to block the suspensions of five players for violating the league's anti-doping policy is the right thing to do.

U.S. District Judge Paul Magnuson said he needed more time to consider the case brought by the players, and therefore four of the five will play this Sunday.

The five players are Kevin and Pat Williams of the Minnesota Vikings and Deuce McAllister, Charles Grant and Will Smith of the New Orleans Saints. Grant is out for the year with an injury, but the other four will play this weekend,

The reason I think this is a good move is because it appears the NFL knew since 2006 that StarCaps, the supplement the players took, contained the banned diuretic Bumetanide.

The NFL believes players should know what they're putting in their bodies, so they put it on them.  But if they didn't know that it was in there -- and the label on StarCaps never said it was -- how could they know?

The league supposedly knew and they didn’t tell. There's something wrong there. So good for the courts to step in and make this decision.

There needs to be more work done.

Until the facts are there for sure as to why the league didn't tell the players what it knew, then the players should play.

Why should a season be impacted by a bad decision that is rushed? This is the right thing.

Getting the courts involved was good for a change.

Category: NFL
Tags: Pat Williams

Since: Sep 18, 2006
Posted on: December 7, 2008 11:54 am

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I would really expect nothing less from a Packers fan (Dukenik.)

I totally agree 100% with this article.  You cannot suspend these players indefinitely because you "need more time to figure things out."  If it comes back at the end of the investigations and hearing and they find out that the players never should have been suspended in the first place - what happens to the teams that were relying on these players and had to play without them.  Also, what about the lost pay from not playing?  The players would sue, the team would sue, and the whole ordeal would continue long after the initial ruling of whether to suspend these players.

I'm glad the courts have decided that the NFL also has to act within the laws, instead of being able to hand out suspensions and and fines at will.

Since: Oct 22, 2007
Posted on: December 7, 2008 12:10 am

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Let me get this right. You are saying we should punish the players while we figure out what exactly happened? I would think that is the complete opposite of how the legal system works considering that would be guilty until proven innocent. If we put every single person innocent person in prison until they were proven innocent that would be insane. How would you like someone to knock on your door and say you've been accused of theft and seize all of your belongings until they decide if you stole anything? If it is decided that the Williams' are accountable for the events that occured they will still serve their 4 games (Which may amount to playoff games) so don't you worry.

Since: Sep 9, 2006
Posted on: December 6, 2008 3:29 pm

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I think it's actually pathetic that a court of law would completely ignore the fact that the collective bargaining agreement is a binding contract, and that the league was given full autonomy to determine and mete punishment as is warranted. The CBA was agreed on by the NFLPA, ergo the players, and I wonder why any one judge would say otherwise. I guess it's ok to agree to stipulations in a contract as long as you don't have to abide by them. I also have to question why one judge was able to make a snap decision and say we are going to restrain the NFL from imposing these suspensions, and the next day, the federal judge says he can't make a ruling in one day on this. It sounds an awful lot like home cooking to me. I also have to question why the NFLPA didn't announce they were fighting these suspensions immediately and only did so once a naive judge was found in Minnesota. I have to agree with the Pandora's box analogy, because every time now that a player is disciplined by the league, regardless if he should be disciplined, will simply take it to court. I thought it was pretty flimsy that the players said the timing of the suspensions would put a serious dent into a team's playoff hopes. Hello, Williams wall, these suspensions were determined a long time ago, and your appeal process is what took it so long to finally arrive at what should have been a resolution. Saying the NFL is trying to make it harder for the Vikings to make the playoffs is ridiculous, considering had you just said, yep, we got caught, and we deserve what we get, you would have already served your suspensions. Why did the one player from the Saints just serve his suspension and go after the company that made the problem pills? Also, if I am the judge who is mulling this over while watching his favorite team dismantle the Lions on Sunday, I ask the players to provide proof that it was indeed Star Caps they were using and not just finding a reason they shouldn't be held culpable for cheating. The Vikings head coach when hired talked about code of conduct and personal accountability. I guess that too was just a bunch of BS just like his claim he had a kick ass offense, was actually qualified to be a head coach and all the other BS he has spewed the past couple years. Cast your gaze to the past, Chilly and see that your words about accountability now look as credible as three dollar bill.

Since: Nov 17, 2007
Posted on: December 6, 2008 1:27 pm

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Bitter green bay fan? I bet you want brett now. The Williams didn't cheat. They took a pill that wasn't on the banned list and didn't have the banned substance on the box. Are they supposed to check everything they take. Plus the NFL knew of this and didn't tell the players. Seems shady to me. Why would they hide this? What if someone had an allergic reaction to this product from stuff not on the box? The NFL would be gettin sued. I think eliminating suspensions is pretty light compared to being sued.

Since: Dec 6, 2008
Posted on: December 6, 2008 12:56 pm

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Dukenik, you are an idiot.

Since: Mar 22, 2007
Posted on: December 6, 2008 11:27 am

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They knew it was illegal. The body of information was out there and to think these NFL players were blissfully ignorant is, well, ignorant. Get real, Prisco.

Since: Dec 6, 2008
Posted on: December 6, 2008 9:08 am

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This is the logic that enables Pacman & Jerramy Stevens type players. It can't possibly be the players fault. "The league knew the supplement contained a banned substance". Okay, what about the warnings that they did send? Not sufficient because they didn't name "StarCaps"? Your first paragraph only gives benefit of the doubt to Deuce's actions to ensure that he wasn't taking a banned substance. What did Grant and Hill do? Isn't at least a possibility that they were doing something else with the intent of gaining an advantage and may have viewed Deuce's argument as more likely to get him out of  a suspension? They could be simply riding his jock which is why Lombardo did not name the specific supplement. Generic warning did go out, one even signed by Upshaw and players were urged to avoid supplements that were not certified.

Your second paragraph is idiotic. Go verify some of the reports in the case. The warnings that were isued are in the NFL steroid Policy  on the NFLPA site accessible to the players. The FACT is that the player ignored warnings and recommendations from the program administrator. That was STUPID.

"providing no real avenue for a player to check out a supplement is unrealistic"

How much would it cost to get supplements checked by batch number to verify they are clean?  A few thousand which could be split amoungst the players who want tho take them? How much do these guys make? No real avenue? The league has continually recommended that players avoid non-certified supplements. Why do they bear the burden of testing supplements they prefer that players avoid? That goes to the union.


Since: Dec 6, 2008
Posted on: December 6, 2008 8:38 am

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I find it interesting that a large group of people do not accept the generic supplement warning that league sent, wanting something that specifically stated "StarCaps" in stead. Those same people are not even asking for proof that the players got the bumetanide in their systems from StarCaps, simply accepting the players,  who have hundreds of thousands  of dollars at risk, statement. 

Since: Nov 19, 2006
Posted on: December 6, 2008 8:30 am

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So when it comes out that these players knew what they where taking(Because they did) and they make the playoff with cheaters on the team how do that look for the league. If you need more time to figure things out those players should not play untill this matter is resovled. Because when it comes out the the Williams cheated, that means the league let the Vikes get away with tampering(Packers) and doping.  I guess the league really wants Peterson in the playoffs.



What A JOKE this ruling is!!!!

Since: Jul 12, 2008
Posted on: December 6, 2008 3:45 am

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I totally disagree with this ruling.  It just sets a bad precedent going forward.  From now on, every NFL player that gets caught using PEDs will just say they didn't know what they were putting into their body.  Congrats to the judge that made this ruling, as you have just opened Pandora's box. 

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