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Willaims Wall should be sidelined

Posted on: September 11, 2009 5:50 pm
Edited on: September 11, 2009 5:54 pm
The Minnesota Vikings will have defensive tackles Kevin and Pat Williams Sunday against Cleveland, and probably will have them the entire season.

The New Orleans Saints will not have defensive ends Will Smith and Charles Grant the first four games.

All four men were expected to be suspended for the first four games of the season, but Williams and Williams were given a reprieve when a Minnesota circuit court ruled they would be eligible to play because of Minnesota laws on drug testing that overrde the CBA rules on testing.

Louisiana doesn't have those laws, so Smith and Grant won't play the first four games for using a banned diuretic, the same substance used by both of the Williamses.

That isn't right.

There is no way there should be a difference. If the Vikings players play, Grant and Smith should play. If they can't, the two Vikings can't.

It's called competitive imbalance.

Balance is the NFL way.

This isn't that. EVen the diehard Vikings fans have to know that it just isn't fair.

Of course come Sunday that will matter little -- if at all.

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Since: Aug 20, 2008
Posted on: September 11, 2009 7:20 pm

Willaims Wall should be sidelined

thats "not very fair at all", if it is in the CBA, they should just abide by it, it was something they agreed too.

SO players in Minnesota get an advantage over players in Louisiana by getting to use banned substances (I don't know what the exact advantage is for this one, so I am not judging a lot)?

If the Vikings win, add the asterisks to it now or later? lol

I don't really care but you just know someone is going to say it.

Since: Oct 5, 2006
Posted on: September 11, 2009 7:18 pm

Williams Wall should be sidelined

It is astonishing to me how naive some people can be.  These players didn't unintentionally and innocently ingest a banned substance.  First, ignorance should be no excuse.  Second, the league has historically communicated to the NFLPA and the teams that StarCaps contains a banned substance.  Third, and most important, the StarCaps supplement is a thinly veiled attempt to circumvent anti-doping rules in sport.

Until the FDA requires StarCaps to label the product with its ingredients (including the banned diuretic), the company will continue to willfully market it with the intention of providing a masking agent to players.  Players wanting to find a loophole in the league's policy, take the unmarked substance to mask their use of performance enhancing drugs.  If they ever have a positive test, players wink at the system as they explain their "excuse." 

Until now, everyone thought it was a very flimsy excuse.  However, the Minnesota state court of appeals apparently buys it.

It is highly likely the Williamses (and the Saints players) not only took this substance willingly, but also took it to hide their use of other banned substances.

In any event, this will still put the Williamses in the league's substance abuse program with one strike.  It also makes the whole league aware (again) that players must take responsibility for what they ingest, including, but not limited to, StarCaps.

One thing I would like to know is whether any players or teams take it upon themselves to test products, so players can know in advance if there are any "hidden" ingredients.

Since: Dec 3, 2006
Posted on: September 11, 2009 7:14 pm

Willaims Wall should be sidelined

grant and smith are playing this week, the nfl was waiting on the ruling from the judge in minn. however they may still be suspended for games 2 thru 5. which means instead fo being out week 1 against detroit they could be out game 5 against the giants. which game do you think the saints would rather have them for?

Since: Sep 17, 2006
Posted on: September 11, 2009 7:13 pm

Willaims Wall should be sidelined

Please...have you read the ruling? The NFL looks like complete idiots in their arguments that the CBA preempt state law while doing their own dance around the CBA as it's convenient. Are the players employees of the team per the CBA or of the NFL as they argue?  The NFL has botched these suspensions from the beginning and sitting the Williams' would be AGAINST THE LAW. Their little cloak-and-dagger "it's within our rights NOT to disclose specifics if we don't want" is ridiculous and it looks like in the appeal they threw everything they could against the wall including claiming the supplement was taken on company time and premises because it was during training camp but failing to give the Court sufficient information to define training camp - much less a detailed itinerary of the Williams' during the time in question.

The league came across as pathetic and desperate. And maybe they are because the days of one man arbitrarily meting out punishment may be drawing to an end. Thank God.

So you have a problem with the fact that Minnesota requires a player that tests positive get a response and can be re-tested if they request? Sounds like a reasonable law to me.

Since: Nov 3, 2007
Posted on: September 11, 2009 7:00 pm

Willaims Wall should be sidelined

You have this one WRONG!!!!  The NFL wants to have business (teams) in many different states.  It it their responsiblity to write thier rules to COMPLY with the laws in the various states!  Other businesses have to do this too my friend, and the NFL is not different!

big d brandon
Since: Mar 10, 2009
Posted on: September 11, 2009 7:00 pm
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Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: September 11, 2009 6:27 pm

Willaims Wall should be sidelined

The law can be stupid and unfair at times.
Why does Plaxico Burress go to jail for longer than Mike Vick for accidentally shooting himself?
Bad example. You should ask why Plax gets to go to jail longer than Stallworth, when Stallworth actually killed a guy.

Of course he should go to jail longer than Vick. He bought a loaded gun into a public setting. I think both of their sentences are to long to be honest, but, the gun should trump the dogs and Stallworth should be in jail longer than both of them.

Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: September 11, 2009 6:25 pm

Willaims Wall should be sidelined

Do you people even read or know how to read?

He says
"IF the Williams get to play, then the Saints players should get to play" and then "If they don't let the Saints players play, then the Williamses shouldn't get to play". Looks like he would rather have them all playing first.
You peoples need to stop nit picking and finding the parts you want to complain about. Start using/reading the whole story before you open those keyboards up.

Since: Nov 3, 2006
Posted on: September 11, 2009 6:21 pm

Willaims Wall should be sidelined

The law can be stupid and unfair at times.
Why does Plaxico Burress go to jail for longer than Mike Vick for accidentally shooting himself?

Since: Apr 12, 2007
Posted on: September 11, 2009 6:18 pm

Willaims Wall should be sidelined


Hey company guy.  What if, instead of punishing the Williams boys because of Louisiana's ass-backwards labor laws, we hold all employers to the same standards by granting them the same rights?  Kevin/Pat Williams are given the right under Minnesota law to explain the otherwise innocent use of a substance banned at work.  In other words, in Minnesota you can't get railroaded because your boss says something is off limits when it is legal otherwise.  This is a good law.

Instead of sucking rights away from the Williams boys, as you advoate, how bout granting rights to Smith/Grant?  Wouldn't the better position be to push the NFL to grant every player the rights that other players are entitled to under the laws of their state?

Instead of being mad at Kevin and Pat Williams, save your anger for the unfair NFL.

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