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Denver fleeces Browns

Posted on: March 14, 2010 6:57 pm
Edited on: March 14, 2010 7:02 pm

The Denver Broncos have made some strange moves over the past two years (See Jay Cutler).

But they made a good one Sunday.

They acquired a potential franchise quarterback in Brady Quinn for essentially a ham sandwich. That's not to disrespect running back Peyton Hillis, the man the Broncos traded to the Browns to get Quinn. But let's face it: The asking price was reasonable.

The Browns also get a sicth-round pick in this year's draft and a conditional 2012 pick, which is probably late-round selection that can improve if Quinn becomes a starter.

If he does, the Broncos fleeced the Browns.

Quinn has had some tough moments with the Browns, but he's never really been given much to work with or been truly given the keys the car.

He will compete with Kyle Orton in Denver, and here's a guess that Quinn pushes Orton for the starting job.

The one knock on Quinn is that he didn't let it go last season, that he wouldn't make the chance throw. He has to do more of that. But once he gets around a better offense, I think he’ll do more of that.

I still can't believe the Browns are willing to play with Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace. Did they watch tape from 2009?

Unless they draft a guy in the first round, the Browns will be a disaster in 2010.
Delhomme and Wallace? How would you like to be stuck with that mess?


Category: NFL
Tags: Brady Quinn

Since: Jan 7, 2011
Posted on: January 7, 2011 1:39 pm

Denver fleeces Browns

Regretting this prediction yet, Prisco?

Since: May 6, 2007
Posted on: November 1, 2010 5:15 pm

Denver fleeces Browns

Prisco is a moron. Quinn is a disaster and Hillis turned out to be a BEAST in the backfield. In retrospect Cleveland pulled off the trade of the year.

Since: Jan 5, 2010
Posted on: May 31, 2010 10:39 pm

Denver fleeces Browns

I wouldn't say Matt Moore in CAR is a 'nobody' - folks said the same thing about a guy in New England 9 years ago.
But I agree with the writer - apparently nobody saw film of Jake last season, Seneca is a good QB - for the Canadian League.
CLV has really made some key additions on Defense this season, but the whole season rests on the QB - he HAS to make the plays to the WR's and TE's, they HAVE to use Cribbs in the slot or somewhere (Welker anyone?), and a RB HAS to step up and take the job.

Since: Jul 13, 2009
Posted on: March 15, 2010 10:50 pm

Ryan Leaf must be ecstatic

Because he's officially not the biggest waste of a 1st-round pick on a quarterback in the past 15 years.  Two firsts and a second on a guy that ended up winning 3 games in 3 seasons with your team?  Yeah, even Leaf wasn't that bad.

Since: Mar 15, 2010
Posted on: March 15, 2010 8:38 pm

Denver fleeces Browns

I guess Holmgren sees something in Quinn that he really doesn't like or he doesn't fit the mold of the QB HE wants out there. He has worked with Montana, Young, Favre, Brunell, Detmer (servicable at best but he was a decent, solid journeyman QB), Aaron Brooks, Hassleback and Wallace so whether. Delhomme is only gonna be here for 1 year and Wallace is mainly there to tutor him so that he can get Delhomme familar with the West Coast-type offense Holmgren is gonna have Mangini incorporate with the team and also tutor the franchise QB that the team will draft this year (Bradford, Claussen, Snead, Tebow, McCoy, LeFevor, or Pike).

Granted, Quinn didn't have much to work with. Winslow, Jr. was traded to Tampa Bay, Edwards couldn't catch a cold if it was tossed to him on a dirty Kleenex rag and was traded to the Jets, Robert Royal played like a court jester at TE, and Heiden was hurt leaving him to work with 2 rookie WRs Chansi Stuckey (who???) and a undrafted TE to work with most of the year. He also had 2 coaching changes, 2 diffrent offensive coordinators (one of whom was a rookie coordinator last season) so his growth was stunted some. Once he was out there to prove his worth as a 1st round pick, he wasn't as accurate of a QB and Holmgren like his QBs to have high accuracy numbers and make correct throws. Maybe McDaniels can make him into the mold of Brady within the next few years but I really don't see it happening.

Since: Jan 25, 2007
Posted on: March 15, 2010 7:29 pm

Denver fleeces Browns

Spoken like a true Irish fan.  Be realistic, Quinn may eventually pan out but he hasn't and it's not because he hasn't had chances or he hasn't had weapons so enough of that.  In case you forgot Holmgren took Seattle to a Super Bowl even though he didn't win.  And the upside (hopefully) is that at least Jake can help mentor a young kid which is more than Quinn can do, considering he can't throw the ball more than 15 yards.  I'm a Browns fan and I don't like the whole situation either but we will see what happens I guess.  The Broncos need to give Holmgren a big thank you, please guy Quinn hasn't done anything so let's not put him in the Hall Of Fame yet.

Since: Aug 31, 2006
Posted on: March 15, 2010 7:27 pm

Denver fleeces Browns

Holmgren's specialty is QBs; he coached Montana, Young, Favre, & Hasselbeck.

He knows a QB when he sees one and Quinn didn't have the skill he seeks for the position.

Delhomme departed from Carolina with a much needed change of scenery.

You mentioned Carolina starting a nobody but obviously that nobody was somebody because Carolina finished the season off strong; Moore was a big part of it.

Since: Aug 31, 2006
Posted on: March 15, 2010 7:25 pm

Denver fleeces Browns

If there is one thing Holmgren knows it is QBs.

From Wiki:

"Holmgren is noted for his role in molding quarterbacks such as , , and during his tenures in San Francisco, Green Bay and Seattle. Under Holmgren's leadership and play calling the were consistent winners"

Perhaps he undervalued Quinn in a trade with Denver but Holmgren was certain Quinn wasn't a QB he likes for the system envisioned.

Delhomme is clearly a stop gap measuer until a QB is drafted in 2010 or 2011, where the real QB talent will be (Locker, Luck, etc).

2011 class for QBs trumps the 2010 class.

If there is one QB that kinda looks like a WCO kinda guy it is Dan Lefevour.  It should be interesting to see where Dan ends up.

Since: Jan 25, 2007
Posted on: March 15, 2010 7:09 pm

Denver fleeces Browns

Thank you erbs.  I laughed my ass off as well.  I am a die hard Browns fan but we need to call it like it is.  I don't lke the Jake deal or the Seneca deal but in reality I would rather have Jake being a mentor to a rookie then either Anderson or Quinn, because neither of them have proven anythingand you can't truely say the Bronco's added depth with someone who hasn't proven anything.  I wish Quinn luck because I would like to see him succeed but I'm glad he's gone.  I won't even discuss any further because you have already said everything I had to say. 

Since: Sep 22, 2006
Posted on: March 15, 2010 6:38 pm

Denver fleeces Browns

Franchise QB?  Whatchu been smokin, Pete?  This guy is accurate about 30% of the time when his target is stationary. 10% when it's moving. Yes, he's a physical specimen...Yes, he looks good in TV and magazine ads...but he's as much a "franchise QB" as Akili Smith, Tim Couch, or Ryan Leaf...
I'll take Seneca Wallace's 81+ QB rating over 12 starts over Quinn's 69 rating over 12 starts...and if Denver does, in fact, want to make Brady a "franchise QB" by all means, Broncos, have at it...he'll pan out as successfully as the trade for Courtney Brown (another First Round Cleveland mistake) and Gerard Warren (another First Round Cleveland Mistake)...They say THREE IS A CHARM!
Pete, try WATCHING the Browns before making judgments on what the team does in the off-season...I know its painful to watch Browns games sometimes...but if you plan on writing about us in the off-season, then KNOW SOMETHING first...

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