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Trading Moss: Bad both ways

Posted on: October 5, 2010 11:08 pm
Edited on: October 6, 2010 10:01 am

The Minnesota Vikings' trade for Randy Moss means one thing: desperation.

Don't get me wrong. I think Moss can play. I think Moss is still a legitimate deep threat.
But the Vikings have to part with a 2011 third-round pick, and then pay Moss a long-term contract.

That's risky for a receiver who is 33 years old. Does he help this season? Yes. And that's what this is all about.

Brett Favre is in the final year of his career -- or so he says -- and the Vikings have to win now. With Sidney Rice out with an injury, it means they lack a big-play receiver.

Moss is still that, but for how long? It;s not a good move for the long-term viability of the franchise.

From the Patriots end, I ask this: What are you thinking doing this?

The Patriots are 3-1, tied for the AFC East lead, and they don't have a deep threat to replace him. Do they think Wes Welker and Julian
Edelman and any other slot receiver can do what they do without Moss's presence on the field?Moss makes those guys go with his ability to stretch a defense. Without him, the dynamic of the offense changes in a big way.

"It would be a lot easier to defend when he isn't there," said one NFC defensive coordinato Tuesday night.

Yes, Moss is unhappy in New England. So what. His job is to play and as long as he's under contract he has no choice but to play.

The Patriots are dumb to trade him. The Vikings are even dumber trading for him.

If you recall, Favre pushed the Packers brass to acquire Moss when he was with Green Bay. Are his fingerprints on this one? Time will tell.

The way I see it, this is a lose-lose for both teams.

Moss will help the Vikings, but it's clear it's Super Bowl or bust for them now. Anything less is failure. It's all about the now. Favre and Moss together. Whew.

As for the Patriots, they are in rebuilding mode. At 3-1, that doesn't make sense. Do they think their special-teams will get two touchdowns every week?

Then again, Bill Belichick's track record on personnel hasn't been so sparkling lately.

I just don't get this one at all.

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Since: Oct 30, 2007
Posted on: October 6, 2010 8:20 pm

Trading Moss: Bad both ways

Agreed nearly 100% . . .  Smile It doesn't benefit the Vikes nearly as much beyond this year . . .

Since: Dec 1, 2006
Posted on: October 6, 2010 8:14 pm

Trading Moss: Bad both ways

Without something else happening for the Pats, i.e. a trade for Vincent Jackson, I see this as a short term loss for the Pats. Without Moss to draw double coverage, the Pats offense will have to evolve into something they do not have the pieces for right now, like a power run game. On the other hand, the Pats always have something up their sleeves, so if they do get Jackson for one or two of their plethora of draft picks next year, they'll be ok. But it is a risky move for them.

As for the Vikings, Moss is an asset. He is a speedy deep threat with great hands. That is a major upgrade over their current speedy deep threat, Berrian, who has bad hands. I'm not even sure if he has fingers.  But Moss does not solve the intermediate, in traffic, over the middle type receiver problem that the Vikings have without Rice. Moss, Berrian and Harvin all bring the same thing to the table. While Moss is better at that "thing" than the others (though give Harvin time to develop), they are still a one-trick pony in the passing game.  Shiancoe is going to have to step up, and he may very do so if Moss consistently draws the double teams.

The other problem is, when Favre retires after this season (just say), what good is Moss? The Vikes are stuck with Jackson as the future QB and a poor first round draft pick (most likely). Even if they do get a promising QB, he'll need time to develop and Moss has shown he has no patience with QB's that aren't on the money all the time.  So, while I do think it makes the Vikings better in the short term, the long term is cloudy and this is a high risk move for them too, assuming they drop a bunch of guaranteed money on Moss for 3 years. I don't see giving up the 3rd rounder as too much of a problem, but unless Favre comes back and plays great again next year, this is simply a one year swing for the fences.

Since: Oct 30, 2007
Posted on: October 6, 2010 8:10 pm

Trading Moss: Actually Good both ways

Look, the Patriots have a bye week and no need for a WR this weekend. I look for them to do a deal with SanDiego in the next 10 days (but after this weekend). They get him landed and into week 7 and the Moss trade winds up impacting 1 game (Baltimore).

I agree that the Vikes are playing for right now and have no choice but to "make it happen" this year while they still have a few operating puzzle pieces. Moss doesn't need to do much more than stretch out the Field and the Vikings get better overnight at 3 other positions. The current receiving corps is missing exactly that. You'll see an imediate impact on Prime Time this Monday . . .

Since: Dec 29, 2008
Posted on: October 6, 2010 8:00 pm

Trading Moss: Bad both ways

I disagree. I think it's a plus for both teams. It's time for Ne to start rebuilding and they are doing just that. NE wasn't going to win the division anyway. Might as well get something for Moss. The Vikes finally have an owner who's willing to spend to win. That's a first time in history. The Vikes had no chance without a stud reciever. Berrian is a bust. The Vikes are living in the NOW and the Pats are looking to the future. Who knows what the future will bring with an impending strike.

Since: Oct 30, 2007
Posted on: October 6, 2010 7:58 pm

Trading Moss: Actually it's Good both ways

Prisco, I'll try to help you out here as I think you're wrong. Mark my words, this is about a Vincent Jackson deal to the Patriots and they just got an extra 3rd round pick to make it happen. They move a mal-content for a much younger mal-content from San Diego. Otherwise it simply doesn't make sense on New Englands part . . .

It helps the Vikes as it stretches out the field. It makes Adrian better (no more 6 defenders in the box), Visanthe and Percy better, and if Sidney Rice gets back on the field, the Vikings may have created an opportunity to have a Play-off caliber team lined up in time for the playoffs.

Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: October 6, 2010 7:46 pm

Trading Moss: Bad both ways

Moss is a sure thing.

Really?  What's sure about him?  I'm sure he's a fantastic threat when he plays, but I'm also sure he pouts when he doesn't like his contract and performs miserably.  I'm sure he could either suck or excel, depending on what he feels like.  I guess that's what a "sure thing" is?

Since: Feb 17, 2008
Posted on: October 6, 2010 7:42 pm

Trading Moss: Bad both ways

This is a pats team with no defense. Lets not get ahead of ourselves the dolphins on offense just look horrendos this season. The pats are built on there offense. Whose gonna be the go to go deep now/ Brandon tate? dont think so. U think welker will be goign 1 on 1 with lbs, and safeties now. No now welker will have revis shdowing him everywhere. When welker got hurt last year pats got beat badly by ravens. Why teams took moss out and edelman and tate and company just arent good enough tot keep teams honest. Minny comes out even in this.3rd raound pick may or may not pan out. Moss is a sure thing. Vikings just got better in a very winable division. will they win it all probably not but they may win the central now. Patriots just gave the east to the jets. Not only that i dont care who u are before moss the pats where a run first play greatr d team. Without moss they will have to do that again . Yet they have no running backs that scare anyone. No wrs to scare anyone. other then brady who on this team is any good. Reminds me of marino last few years with dolphins on offense good thing was he had a d brady doesnt even have that.

Since: Oct 31, 2008
Posted on: October 6, 2010 7:41 pm

Trading Moss: Bad both ways

I think that for the 2010 season this is a great aquisition for the Minnesota Vikings.

Their future beyond this season...well they frittered that away riding the Favre roller coaster already, so what's a 3rd round pick and a salary to Moss gonna hurt?

The Patriots on the other hand are so smart that they forgot to think!  They need a heavy dose of reality, which is coming on Halloween when Moss says hello in a Vikings uniform and lights up that weak secondary for a buck-fitty and 2 TD's...

Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: October 6, 2010 7:38 pm

Trading Moss: Bad both ways

  The possibility of Moss throwing a hissy fit is always there, regardless of who he plays for.

Agreed.  Unfortunately for the Vikings, it looks like something they'll have to address immediately.  When he was unhappy in Minnesota, he dropped to 59 YPG, unhappy in Oakland, 42 YPG, unhappy in New England 46 YPG.  He's been a great player when he's happy with his contract, and a below-average starter when he's not.  Right now he's not.  That can be changed, but doing that probably impacts your ability to re-sign the younger Rice who will almost certainly be performing at a higher level than Moss in two years.  This might pay off big-time for the Vikings, but the move brings a lot more baggage than the loss of a 3rd round pick.

Since: Oct 31, 2008
Posted on: October 6, 2010 7:35 pm

Trading Moss: Bad both ways

I agree with most of what you stated. However, I do not see S. Rice being viable this season. He may get into the fold if the Vikings make a deep playoff run, but it takes a long time to heal from his injury + get back into football shape. Sure he may be healthy in 4 weeks, but with 2 months off from running it will be another 3-5 weeks to get into any kind of football shape, not to mention timing with Favre.

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