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Jets go crazy for Holmes

Posted on: July 27, 2011 12:01 pm
Edited on: July 27, 2011 12:15 pm
 

Are the New York Jets crazy?

They give Santonio Holmes, a receiver who has had more than 55 catches just once in his career, is one failed drug test away from a possible year-long suspension by the league, a contract that will pay him $50 million with $24 million in guaranteed money.

That $24 million, if true, is the most ever for a receiver. What?

This guy hasn't finished in the top-10 in catches in a season yet in his career. The Steelers were so turned off by him that they traded him for a fifth-round pick last summer.  The Steelers tired of his off-field issues, one of which led to a four-game suspension to start the 2010 season with the Jets.

Holmes is a nice player. And he has speed. Plus, Mark Sanchez loves him. But isn't that a lot of money for a risky player, who you wouldn't even consider a top-10 receiver in the NFL?

I can't imagine there was a great market for him -- which is why I always felt he would go back to the Jets --because of all the baggage. So somebody please explain the money to me.

Last time I checked, this wasn't Al Toon or Don Maynard we are talking about.

Comments

Since: Dec 16, 2006
Posted on: July 27, 2011 2:25 pm
 

Jets go crazy for Holmes

Yes, Holmes is second tier, and by that I mean he isn't one of the elite receivers, nor is he even close, even though he is getting elite money.  

The fact that he is in a run first offense doesn't make him good.  If he was such a damn good receiver maybe the Jets wouldn't be so run-first.  Also, Holmes  was a member of some other teams in a addition to the Jets, annd he wasn't such a great player there either.

THe fact that he hasnt been able to stay on the field doesn't make him good either.

Is he a "game changer?"  That's a stupid question.  Every single player on the field changes the game and we all know it.  How much does he change the game?  Not nearly enough to warrant his new salary.  Not even close.




Since: Apr 14, 2008
Posted on: July 27, 2011 2:22 pm
 

Jets go crazy for Holmes

Holmes is one of the better WRs in the league, but that salary is D-U-M-B, dumb, dumb, dumb.



Since: Feb 19, 2008
Posted on: July 27, 2011 2:21 pm
 

Jets go crazy for Holmes

"how is prisco a hack? hes reporting on numbers. youre "commenting" as a fan. let me tell you something about the media, you dont get to any position of power or having any sort of voice without intelligence and hard work. calling him a hack is a bit over the top here.

so lets focus on something that is undeniable. numbers. men lie. women lie. fans LOVE to lie. numbers dont.

now lets accept that in todays society performance is rewarded by salary. right? i mean thats obvious. exceptional and consistent performance. so ill assume were on the same page there.

now lets look at the fact that holmes is on of the highest paid WR at the moment. 

next step. lets look at who actually IS the best WR at the moment. last year it was reggie wayne but #2 is andre johnson. over the past 5 years it is without question andre johnson is the best WR in the nfl. hands down. or hands up catching TDs like it was nothing.

ok so holmes is getting a ton of money. and when you compare his stats to andres? its laughable. holmes wasnt even in the top 5 WRs last year. not by a long shot. his rank? 42! hes had ONE 1,000+ yard season in his whole career. i mean, benjamin watson, a tight end for the cleveland frickin browns had more yards than holmes last year!!! with the exception of 2009, holmes hasnt even cracked the top 40 WRs ever. EVER. 

so yeah, the jets overpaid. by a lot. is he a gamechanger? yeah. he is. but so are fumbles and wind directions. in the nfl, like everywhere else in the world, you reward for exceptional AND consistent performance. and holmes is a 800 - 900 yd 4 TD per year player. there are almost 1300 guys like him in the league. the jets overpaid. big time. 

and you cant blame holmes average performance on the fact that sanchez is pretty average too. hes in the same league as matt ryan and look at what roddy white does. look at calvin johnson with stafford. shit, look at what calvin johnson does with the hot dog vending guy pulled from the stands. hed still have 11oo yds and 9 TDs. thats a game changer. not santonio holmes.

the fact that holmes was the best WR available in free agency doesnt say much about the WR class in free agency. ill make a bet that plaxico burress or TO outperform holmes by a lot this year. 

prisco is dead on. holmes is average and getting paid WAY above average money.

benjamin watson. think about it. "



Read Freemans article, this is just the beginning its a brand new cba and youre holding Holmes Guaranteed money up agaisnt caps and cba's of the past, this is the tip of the iceberg, DANGELO WILLIAMS GOT 21 MIL GUARANTEED, he has been pretty injury prone the last couple seasons if my memory serves me right, the fact that youre comparing Benjamin Watson to santonio holmes discredits the rest of the garbage you spewed in your post, you know santonio didnt play the whole season right?   AND TO?!!!??? HAHAHHAHAHA hes going to outperform santonio?  unreal.... get a clue



Since: Jul 27, 2011
Posted on: July 27, 2011 2:16 pm
 

Jets go crazy for Holmes

Ok so he finishes with almost 900 and 7 TDs. He also avgs about 62 yards per game if we look at a whole season and extrapolate. Keep in mind that players are most certainly evaluated on off field antics AND being injury prone. Keeping that out of it, Holmes falls in line with the ranks of Maclin, Mike Williams and Johnny Knox. Hardly All Stars. All of them slightly above average players.

Jets paid Roddy White money for him. In other words they wrote a check for a Porsche and theyre basically getting a top of the line Camry. No other way to look at it. And hey, I like the Jets. Im just being analytical.



Since: Jul 27, 2011
Posted on: July 27, 2011 2:09 pm
 

Jets go crazy for Holmes

Philmore, get your facts staright, Holmes only played in 12 games with a new QB on a team that runs 60% of the time. Over a full season he would have caught 69 passes for almost 1,000 yards and 8 TDs with four game winning catches, three of which were TDs



Since: Aug 29, 2007
Posted on: July 27, 2011 2:08 pm
 

Jets go crazy for Holmes

That $24 million might be the most guaranteed for a receiver today, but a year or two from now it won't even be in the top ten.

Look, they had to choose between the guy who was happy to rest on his one-year-wonder laurels (Edwards) and clearly doesn't have the discipline to maintain elite physical shape, and the guy who came back from his smackdown by the Steelers and posted #1-like numbers:  his 52-746-6 in twelve games (ten starts) extrapolates to 69-994-8 in 16 games, probably a smidgen higher if he'd had all 12 starts.  Also, he's at the absolute peak age for WR's - 27 this year - and with the complementary receiving talent around him there's every reason to be optimistic about his next five -- well, next three -- years in New York.  Actually, his 2010 season looks an awful lot like Marvin Harrison's 1998 season of 50-776-7 in 12 games, also at age 26.  I'm not saying he's the next Marvin, 'cuz Mark sure as hell ain't the next Peyton, but I can see why the Jets reupped.

As for the Pittsburgh situation, it's not that the Steelers were "so turned off by him" that they dumped him for a fifth.  It's more like they had a P.R. nightmare courtesy of two of their best skill position players, but they sure weren't getting rid of the quarterback.

As for whether or not he's a top 10 receiver, from a fantasy standpoint I'm sure as hell ranking him higher than most of the thirtysomething 1000 yard guys (Santana Moss comes to mind - he'll be catching passes from who, exactly?) as well as guys with inconsistent histories like Brandon Lloyd and Dwayne Bowe.



Since: Apr 14, 2007
Posted on: July 27, 2011 2:06 pm
 

Jets go crazy for Holmes

I am still stunned about the Mike Wallace negativity. I love that kid. Much more upside on and off the field.



Since: Jul 27, 2011
Posted on: July 27, 2011 2:02 pm
 

Jets go crazy for Holmes

how is prisco a hack? hes reporting on numbers. youre "commenting" as a fan. let me tell you something about the media, you dont get to any position of power or having any sort of voice without intelligence and hard work. calling him a hack is a bit over the top here.

so lets focus on something that is undeniable. numbers. men lie. women lie. fans LOVE to lie. numbers dont.

now lets accept that in todays society performance is rewarded by salary. right? i mean thats obvious. exceptional and consistent performance. so ill assume were on the same page there.

now lets look at the fact that holmes is on of the highest paid WR at the moment.

next step. lets look at who actually IS the best WR at the moment. last year it was reggie wayne but #2 is andre johnson. over the past 5 years it is without question andre johnson is the best WR in the nfl. hands down. or hands up catching TDs like it was nothing.

ok so holmes is getting a ton of money. and when you compare his stats to andres? its laughable. holmes wasnt even in the top 5 WRs last year. not by a long shot. his rank? 42! hes had ONE 1,000+ yard season in his whole career. i mean, benjamin watson, a tight end for the cleveland frickin browns had more yards than holmes last year!!! with the exception of 2009, holmes hasnt even cracked the top 40 WRs ever. EVER.

so yeah, the jets overpaid. by a lot. is he a gamechanger? yeah. he is. but so are fumbles and wind directions. in the nfl, like everywhere else in the world, you reward for exceptional AND consistent performance. and holmes is a 800 - 900 yd 4 TD per year player. there are almost 1300 guys like him in the league. the jets overpaid. big time.

and you cant blame holmes average performance on the fact that sanchez is pretty average too. hes in the same league as matt ryan and look at what roddy white does. look at calvin johnson with stafford. shit, look at what calvin johnson does with the hot dog vending guy pulled from the stands. hed still have 11oo yds and 9 TDs. thats a game changer. not santonio holmes.

the fact that holmes was the best WR available in free agency doesnt say much about the WR class in free agency. ill make a bet that plaxico burress or TO outperform holmes by a lot this year.

prisco is dead on. holmes is average and getting paid WAY above average money.

benjamin watson. think about it.



Since: Oct 5, 2009
Posted on: July 27, 2011 2:00 pm
 

Jets go crazy for Holmes

Wow I ACTUALLY agree with Pete wholeheartedlySurprised



Since: Oct 11, 2007
Posted on: July 27, 2011 1:58 pm
 

Jets go crazy for Holmes

Seriously, second-tier? How do you figure? He only started 10 games for the Jets last year in a run first offense with a new/young QB but still had 52 catches and 6 TDs (including several game winning plays). The previous year he had 79 catches and 1248 yards (7th in the NFL), not to mention that he was the Super Bowl MVP after making, arguably, the best game winning TD catch in SB history.

There are legitmate questions regarding the potential for a suspension but we don't know what the contract says about that. Also, if anyone watched Hard Knocks last year, it came out that the Jets rarely, if ever, fully guarantee money anymore. The announced amount is usually very misleading (i.e. it may be guaranteed for injury but not for performance or vice versa). See D'Brick's contract for an example of a very misleading.

(re:D'Brick "The only up-front and fully guaranteed money is a small portion of the reported $34.8 million in guarantees; the rest of those guarantees trigger after a period of months during which an injury could happen, and those guarantees are just for skill and not for injury.")


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