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So much for John Beck starting

Posted on: September 5, 2011 2:57 pm

What happened to all the glowing talk about John Beck in Washington?

The Redskins have apparently decided to start Rex Grossman Sunday in their opener against the New York Giants.

Offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan loves the guy. Let's face it: He has major input into the decisions under head coach Mike Shanahan, his dad.

When all the John Beck-will-start talk was bubbling, a Redskins source made an interesting point to me.

If he's so good, why didn't they play him at all last year?

Good question. It was all Grossman. Beck never got off the bench after the Redskins sat down Donovan McNabb.

So now the Shanahans have decided to give Grossman the job -- for now.

It's probably the right move. But I bet Redskins fans are wondering if the team is better than they would have been with McNabb under center.

Are they?

It's hard to believe they are with Grossman or Beck.

If they get Andrew Luck, they will be.

Don't laugh. It's possible, just as long as Kyle Shanahan likes him.

Category: NFL

Since: Aug 25, 2006
Posted on: September 6, 2011 5:46 pm

So much for John Beck starting

Hahaha, rocket00 my man. Sh1t, if Snyder had any brains he'd pick up Garrard. Then again, brains & Danny Boy in the same sentence, is a stretch. NFL wise anyway. 

Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: September 6, 2011 3:06 pm

So much for John Beck starting

Good Luck to you guys SportsTalker. Just beat the Cowboys twice and help make the rest of the world a better place.

Since: Jan 15, 2008
Posted on: September 6, 2011 2:12 pm

So much for John Beck starting

rocket- I see that was a 2008 bleacher report article. Maybe he grew 3 inches in the last three yearsWink. Seriously though, I don't know how tall Grossman is, I was just going on what he was listed as. Hey Drew Brees is only 6'0" and seems to see the field pretty well though. Grossman's lack of good decision making over the years may or may not have anything to do with his height. Maybe it was the system or maybe it was the players he was playing with or against or all of the above. Perhaps he is just an average QB and will never be anything more than that. Only time will tell. Us redskin fans really don't have any choice in the matter, Rex is who we have right now and we hope for the best.

Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: September 6, 2011 11:19 am

So much for John Beck starting

I know this is just the bleacher report but here is a site that has him between 5'11" and 6'

Orton holds a clear advantage over Grossman in terms of height. Grossman's height has been skewed between 5'11" and 6'. Orton's nearly an entire head taller at 6'4".

Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: September 6, 2011 10:44 am

So much for John Beck starting

Yea - I figured what he has listed might say that. In reality though the guys that actually interviewed him in Chicago (and keep in mind these guys were in the locker room talking with them daily) said he is no where near that tall. One of the knocks on him here was his height. He had a hard time seeing over the O Linemen and woudl often throw passes right into coverage because he didn't know the defender was there. Like I said, I never met the guy - just telling you what we said when he played here. FYI - I don't dislike the guy and have no ill will so I'm not picking on him.

Since: Sep 6, 2007
Posted on: September 6, 2011 9:56 am

Grossman smarter than McNabb?

That "fact" not even debatable? What an idiot statement to make. Based on what evidence? Their SATs? Wonderlic scores? Color of their skin? Success in the NFL? Pull your head out, time to breathe and get a clue.

Since: Jan 15, 2008
Posted on: September 6, 2011 9:45 am

So much for John Beck starting

Nfl network site ditto. So unless you want to go measure his height personally I am going to go with that.

Since: Jan 15, 2008
Posted on: September 6, 2011 9:43 am

So much for John Beck starting

Wikipedia also shows Grossman as 6'1".

Since: Jan 15, 2008
Posted on: September 6, 2011 9:39 am

So much for John Beck starting


rocket100, This is the link to the roster page on the redskins website, it shows Grossman as being 6'1".

Since: Dec 15, 2007
Posted on: September 6, 2011 8:37 am

Who Said Grossman Is Smarter/Better Than McNabb?

Let's compare McNabb to Grossman:

One similarity:  Number of Super Bowls attended:  1

Everything Else:

Experience:  McNabb:  13 years, Grossman:  9 years
Career Passer Rating:   McNabb:  85.7, Grossman:  70.9
Games Started:  McNabb:  ~161, Grossman: ~35
Passing Yards:  McNabb:  36,250, Grossmanb:  7,081
Completion Percentage:  McNabb:  59.0%, Grossman:  54.2%
Touchdown/Interception Ratio (Higher is better):   McNabb:  2.0 (230 - 115), Grossman:  1.0 (40 - 40)
Playoff Years:  McNabb:  9, Grossman:  1
Wins....okay, enough is enough....

The point here is that anyone (and I mean ANYONE) who thinks that the Redskins will be better off with Rex Grossman as quarterback rather than Donovan McNabb hasn't watched American Football (if there is a checkerboard ball involved, you aren't watching the correct sport).  It isn't even fair to compare a long time starting and successful quarterback like McNabb to a has-been and career backup quarterback like Rex Grossman.  It seems so long ago, but remember when Grossman was drafted in the first round by the Bears fresh off of a national championship at Florida?

THe stats above are simply to show what a disparity there is between these careers.  Knowing the huge ego that Mike "I'm Super Awesome Because I Won Two Super Bowls With One Of The Best QBs Evah" Shanahan possesses, I believe that the canny, crafty, cagey Kyle Shanahan and "Super Dad" Mike railroaded McNabb out of town because he would not run another poorly designed Kyle play or kowtow to their insane demands to kiss the ring.

For all of their percieved strengths, many of the plays look as if they have been designed for PhDs in physics due to the unnecessary complexity for the sake of "surprise."  Hey, Kyle, just FYI, you shouldn't surprise your own team with a trick or gimmick play.

The Redskins and Dan Snyder are sad and pitiful, and it just really needs to stop.  Hey, make the team owned by the fed gov.  That way, the Redskins can deficit spend every year and get the best players available.  Don't worry, we won't need to pay that back until our children are grown up.  Then it is their problem.

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