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Monday Musings: Slow down on Hester to Hall talk

Posted on: November 14, 2011 1:57 pm

There's been a lot of talk this week about Devin Hester being Hall of Fame worthy.

I say no.

Hester is a great return man, but do we put return men into the game -- even if they are the greatest of all time?

We've had a lot of great return men in our time, guys like Brian Mitchell of the Redskins and Eagles. Did anybody ever consider him a candidate for the Pro Football Hall of Fame?

Hester is a special return man. He now has 18 returns for scores, one off the record of returns for touchdowns held by Deion Sanders.

But when you consider special teams to be 1/12th or so of the game, how can a player who returns kicks and punts be in the Hall.

Let's call Hester what he is, a special return man who can change a game.

Not Hall worthy.

----Who are the Atlanta Falcons on offense? That's it. They don't know. If you trade up to get Julio Jones in the first round, don't you have to become a pass-first team? But they played ball-control football against the Saints in the first half. It worked. They won the time of possession battle, controlling the ball for llnor. They were also trailing at the half. Matt Ryan threw for 122 yards in the first half as the Falcons used a lot of bunch formations. In the second half, when they were forced to spread things out, even with Jones out with a hamstring injury, they moved the ball better. Ryan finished with 351 yards and a touchdown. Harry Douglas, who would be the slot receiver in a three-receiver set, filled in for Jones and had a big second half. He caught eight passes for 133 yards in the game, all but one catch coming in the second half. I understand the Falcons want to keep the ball away from Drew Brees, but that strategy only works if you score touchdowns. Chunk plays are what they need, not ball-control offense.

---Tim Tebow is 3-1 as a starter. But what position is he playing? It sure as hell isn't quarterback. Tebow completed two passes against the Chiefs Sunday -- and won. How the heck does that happen? I know there are a lot of media members out there singing his praises and lauding Denver for playing to his strengths, which aren't quarterback strengths. But anybody who thinks that's a winning formula in the NFL needs to have their head examined. All the Broncos are doing, maybe in a subtle way, is proving that Tebow isn't the long-term answer. Tebow had one completion for 56 yards and a touchdown -- he looked like an NFL passer on that play -- but he completed just one other pass. He ran for 43 yards on nine carries.  The Broncos are proving a point to everyone without really proving it. Tebow can't be an NFL quarterback. He just can't.

---Can we slow down the Cam Newton hype now? Newton was just OK against the Titans. He threw for 212 yards on 23 completions and was picked off once. He ran seven times for 55 yards. But Newton's numbers are coming down. Are teams figuring him out? He was also sacked five times, three of those from non-down defensive players.

---So Chris Johnson is alive? Johnson looked more like his old self against the Panthers, rushing for 130 yards and a touchdown. He also had four catches for 44 yards. Just remember, the Panthers have real problems stopping the run. But it's a start.

---Enough, already. Curtis Painter is horrible. The Colts need to sit him down and play somebody else. Anybody but him.

--Steelers receiver Hines Ward had one catch for 10 yards against the Bengals. It looks like Ward is being phased out. When Emmanuel Sanders returns from injury, expect the Steelers to make Ward their fourth receiver. That could be interesting in terms of how he reacts.

--- Tony Romo completed 23 of 26 passes (88.5 percent) for 270 yards with three touchdowns. Still have doubts about him?

---Does it really matter who plays quarterback for the Redskins? The Shanahan family has totally botched the handling of that position. Rex Grossman was back in as the starter against Miami and he was 21 of 32 for 215 yards and two picks. The Redskins scored six points.  Ugg.

---I think the Rams would be making a mistake if they fire coach Steve Spagnuolo. It would be unfair with all the injuries his team has sustained. He deserves another year. The Rams are still fighting for him.

--The Jaguars have held opponents under 300 yards in six of their first nine games and the Colts were eighth team to be held below their average against the Jaguars (282.8 avg.) Defensive coordinator Mel Tucker has done a nice job with that unit. It won't help his cause that corner Rashean Mathis is now out for the season with a torn ACL. Mathis was having a good season in a contract year. 

---The Cardinals should keep John Skelton in as their starting quarterback. He looked good after an early interception. With the way Kevin Kolb was struggling, why not take a look at Skelton. If he continues to play well, it will be interesting to see if the Cardinals would admit a mistake on trading and paying Kolb.

---Losing Eric Wood is a big hit for the Bills offensive line. He has played at a high level this season. In Wood and guard Andy Levitre, the Bills have two really good linemen.

---If I'm the GM of the Eagles, I am not paying DeSean Jackson. His act this season tells you all you need to know about him. The book on him coming out of Cal was he was selfish. Some teams had him off their board. Now we know why. His teammates should be sick of his act by now.

--It's laughable to think Falcons coach Mike Smith opted to go for the first down from his own 29 because he got a new contract last year. Whoever said that does not know the man. The aggression is part of who Smith is as a man. I respect his decision, even if I disagreed with it.

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Since: Jan 7, 2010
Posted on: November 15, 2011 12:38 pm

Monday Musings: Slow down on Hester to Hall talk

Prisco you need to look past numbers and look at Hester's effect on a game. He has single handedly won games for the Bears on his returns alone and has had some pretty nice plays on offense too. He is a game changer. Teams plan to try and make him a non-factor. Coordinators fear facing him. He can instantly change the tone of an entire game every time he touches the ball and has shattered records and still has plenty of time left in the league to expand on those numbers. Give the man his due Pete, he is a hall of famer. Stop being such a numbers freak and recognize that Devin Hester is a hall of famer. 

Since: Dec 26, 2010
Posted on: November 15, 2011 12:27 pm

Monday Musings: Slow down on Hester to Hall talk

Prisco I think you should retire now your brain has turned to absolute S H I T.  You will never be a good journalist.  Time to find a new occupation just as a garbage man.  I believe thats what you were actually born to be.  Its not up to you who makes it to the hall of fame.  YOU CERTAINLY WONT MAKE IT THERE.  YOU SUCK.

Since: Nov 3, 2009
Posted on: November 15, 2011 12:26 pm

Hester's impact on games

I'm a Bears fan, but a very fair one so don't discount what I have to say.  I mention I'm a Bears fan because I've seen all of Hester's games.  The fact of the matter is he impacts the games way more than when he just has a return for a TD.  You can pick any number of Bears games over the last few years and this is obvious.  Let's make it easy and pick the game against MIN this season.  He returned a kick for a TD and that was it - the Vikings spent the rest of the game angling every punt out of bounds.  Since you never get as many yards doing that as you would kicking it straight down the filed, the Bears got excellent field position - especially since Kluwe was not very good at it.  In fact, he was horrible at it a few times and yet the Vikings chose that option over kicking it to Hester.  How much more of an impact can a guy have than that?  He wasn't even touching the ball and the opponent was willingly giving the Bears favorable field position just to not give him a chance to score.

Since: Dec 14, 2006
Posted on: November 15, 2011 12:21 pm

Monday Musings: Slow down on Hester to Hall talk

The title reels you in to think there is an actual arguement of Hester and his hall credentials. This just seems to be nothing more then a brain fart from Prisco here then actual work into why he shouldnt be in the hall. His arguement is short and very weak. Devin hester has changed more games then any kr/pr specialist other then Deion and that will change soon enough as Devin will have more return touchdowns in the long run. His basis is with 2 other kr/pr specialists who were also the best but he gives no reason why Hester is even below them. This is an empty arguement on his behalf and a waste of time. Clearly the kickoffs have become a huge part of the game if he has watched football over the last 8-10 years he would know this.

Since: Oct 6, 2006
Posted on: November 15, 2011 12:01 pm

Monday Musings: Slow down on Hester to Hall talk

I hate to say this but Prisco is right. Hester does not have a big enough impact on the game to be in the Hall. He has 28 touchdowns, in six TOTAL seasons. That's not even close to Hall numbers. The fact is, he wasn't good enough to play on the offense which is why he's in special teams.

It's no knock on him, it's just that there are plenty of other special teamers that haven't made it either. Such as Ray Guy, who has had far more impact on the game than Hester has had.

Since: Nov 15, 2008
Posted on: November 15, 2011 11:21 am

Monday Musings: Slow down on Hester to Hall talk

Hey Pete your wrong about Hester.  Hester as PR-KR/ Special Teams is a Hall of Famer playing in the league right now just on his touchdowns alone.  The fact that the standard was once once 2 or 3 a year for a team.  We are talking about someone who has peeled off two in a game.  A player who forces a team not to kick to him even in short coverage.  Hey he is not perfect and is known to run east and west or spin himself out of bounds from time to time.  But Pete you failed to realize he is a game changer and a hall of famer.

Since: Jul 28, 2008
Posted on: November 15, 2011 11:17 am

Monday Musings: Slow down on Hester to Hall talk

I can't decide where I fall on the Hester in the Hall topic, but.....

Does he touch the ball any less than a WR?  I'm not sure I buy the 1/12 of the plays comment because of that.  If a great WR gets 8 touches a game on average, how many kicks does Hester get (especially if you include the ones where they punt out of bounds so bad it nets a 30 yd punt?).  I still can't decide, but I don't think the "impact on the game" is a valid arguement.

Since: Feb 19, 2008
Posted on: November 15, 2011 11:01 am

Monday Musings: Slow down on Hester to Hall talk

Wow... He has a lot of years left and you've counted him out already? You sound like you don't expect him to play another game. Hester will forever change a few stats for what appears to be a long time and has already during a brief career. I have a feeling you're just wanting to rile up Bears fans. Be careful Pete. Pretty soon you'll be dubbed the Ann Coulter of football. Thanks for the premature article.

Since: Sep 21, 2008
Posted on: November 15, 2011 10:59 am

Monday Musings: Slow down on Hester to Hall talk

Everyone should have known Kevin Kolb wasn't gonna work out. You don't trade for a backup QB like he is the hands down future of your team or the Eagles would have kept him. Oh wait, I'm sure Vick still has 10 good years left in him. NOT. Kolb is an average QB comparable to the likes of Kyle Orton or Josh McCown in terms of passing

Since: Sep 5, 2006
Posted on: November 15, 2011 10:39 am

Monday Musings: Slow down on Hester to Hall talk

I agree that Devin Hester will never be in the HOF.  But for years to come he will pop in the conversation which will help keep his legacy alive.  Wow dude is not even 30 yet and we are already talking about his legacy.  Thats how special he is.

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