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Monday Musings: Slow down on Hester to Hall talk

Posted on: November 14, 2011 1:57 pm

There's been a lot of talk this week about Devin Hester being Hall of Fame worthy.

I say no.

Hester is a great return man, but do we put return men into the game -- even if they are the greatest of all time?

We've had a lot of great return men in our time, guys like Brian Mitchell of the Redskins and Eagles. Did anybody ever consider him a candidate for the Pro Football Hall of Fame?

Hester is a special return man. He now has 18 returns for scores, one off the record of returns for touchdowns held by Deion Sanders.

But when you consider special teams to be 1/12th or so of the game, how can a player who returns kicks and punts be in the Hall.

Let's call Hester what he is, a special return man who can change a game.

Not Hall worthy.

----Who are the Atlanta Falcons on offense? That's it. They don't know. If you trade up to get Julio Jones in the first round, don't you have to become a pass-first team? But they played ball-control football against the Saints in the first half. It worked. They won the time of possession battle, controlling the ball for llnor. They were also trailing at the half. Matt Ryan threw for 122 yards in the first half as the Falcons used a lot of bunch formations. In the second half, when they were forced to spread things out, even with Jones out with a hamstring injury, they moved the ball better. Ryan finished with 351 yards and a touchdown. Harry Douglas, who would be the slot receiver in a three-receiver set, filled in for Jones and had a big second half. He caught eight passes for 133 yards in the game, all but one catch coming in the second half. I understand the Falcons want to keep the ball away from Drew Brees, but that strategy only works if you score touchdowns. Chunk plays are what they need, not ball-control offense.

---Tim Tebow is 3-1 as a starter. But what position is he playing? It sure as hell isn't quarterback. Tebow completed two passes against the Chiefs Sunday -- and won. How the heck does that happen? I know there are a lot of media members out there singing his praises and lauding Denver for playing to his strengths, which aren't quarterback strengths. But anybody who thinks that's a winning formula in the NFL needs to have their head examined. All the Broncos are doing, maybe in a subtle way, is proving that Tebow isn't the long-term answer. Tebow had one completion for 56 yards and a touchdown -- he looked like an NFL passer on that play -- but he completed just one other pass. He ran for 43 yards on nine carries.  The Broncos are proving a point to everyone without really proving it. Tebow can't be an NFL quarterback. He just can't.

---Can we slow down the Cam Newton hype now? Newton was just OK against the Titans. He threw for 212 yards on 23 completions and was picked off once. He ran seven times for 55 yards. But Newton's numbers are coming down. Are teams figuring him out? He was also sacked five times, three of those from non-down defensive players.

---So Chris Johnson is alive? Johnson looked more like his old self against the Panthers, rushing for 130 yards and a touchdown. He also had four catches for 44 yards. Just remember, the Panthers have real problems stopping the run. But it's a start.

---Enough, already. Curtis Painter is horrible. The Colts need to sit him down and play somebody else. Anybody but him.

--Steelers receiver Hines Ward had one catch for 10 yards against the Bengals. It looks like Ward is being phased out. When Emmanuel Sanders returns from injury, expect the Steelers to make Ward their fourth receiver. That could be interesting in terms of how he reacts.

--- Tony Romo completed 23 of 26 passes (88.5 percent) for 270 yards with three touchdowns. Still have doubts about him?

---Does it really matter who plays quarterback for the Redskins? The Shanahan family has totally botched the handling of that position. Rex Grossman was back in as the starter against Miami and he was 21 of 32 for 215 yards and two picks. The Redskins scored six points.  Ugg.

---I think the Rams would be making a mistake if they fire coach Steve Spagnuolo. It would be unfair with all the injuries his team has sustained. He deserves another year. The Rams are still fighting for him.

--The Jaguars have held opponents under 300 yards in six of their first nine games and the Colts were eighth team to be held below their average against the Jaguars (282.8 avg.) Defensive coordinator Mel Tucker has done a nice job with that unit. It won't help his cause that corner Rashean Mathis is now out for the season with a torn ACL. Mathis was having a good season in a contract year. 

---The Cardinals should keep John Skelton in as their starting quarterback. He looked good after an early interception. With the way Kevin Kolb was struggling, why not take a look at Skelton. If he continues to play well, it will be interesting to see if the Cardinals would admit a mistake on trading and paying Kolb.

---Losing Eric Wood is a big hit for the Bills offensive line. He has played at a high level this season. In Wood and guard Andy Levitre, the Bills have two really good linemen.

---If I'm the GM of the Eagles, I am not paying DeSean Jackson. His act this season tells you all you need to know about him. The book on him coming out of Cal was he was selfish. Some teams had him off their board. Now we know why. His teammates should be sick of his act by now.

--It's laughable to think Falcons coach Mike Smith opted to go for the first down from his own 29 because he got a new contract last year. Whoever said that does not know the man. The aggression is part of who Smith is as a man. I respect his decision, even if I disagreed with it.

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Since: Nov 15, 2011
Posted on: November 15, 2011 9:13 am

Monday Musings: Slow down on Hester to Hall talk

I love seeing how butt-hurt Pete gets when the Falcons loose.  In does show them an unfounded favoritism.  I'm sure it has more to do with disliking the Saints since Sean Payton doesn't like him.  I really shouldn't give Prisco the hits on his articles since they are usually garbage, but I just have to see his reaction when this Falcons fanboy loses.

Since: Oct 14, 2006
Posted on: November 15, 2011 8:44 am

Monday Musings: Slow down on Hester to Hall talk

Well gee Prisco - looks like just about no one agrees with you.

Since: Jan 4, 2007
Posted on: November 15, 2011 8:41 am

Monday Musings: Slow down on Hester to Hall talk

Ray Guy has no business in the Hall. He had a great talent set, but he used it to put up ridiculous stats for himself at the cost of hurting his team.  He punted the ball a long way for not a lot of net yardage, returns (beacause of lack of hang time) and touchbacks hurt the team instead of helping.  A punter's job is not to punt really far; it is to flip the field and pin the other team deep.  Ray did the former better than anyone, the latter not so well.

Since: Oct 24, 2010
Posted on: November 15, 2011 7:49 am

Monday Musings: Slow down on Hester to Hall talk

If Hester played for any team other than the Bears, I think Prisco would have a different opinion. He just doesn't like the Bears for some reason. Wait until his power rankings come out in a few hours and you will see.

Since: May 2, 2010
Posted on: November 15, 2011 6:43 am

Monday Musings: Slow down on Hester to Hall talk

This guy said it best:

If you are the BEST EVER at your postion you should go to the Hall. If your "postion" is represented in the Pro Bowl it should be eligible for the Hall.......... It is the Pro Football Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Fame for Guys WE Think Are Important. Hester is a game changer, you have to gameplan specifically for him (ie don't frigging punt to him but people still do it!). PR/KRs take a ferocious beating and you can tell me they aren't good enough to go in the Hall. Ridiculous! When EVERY single team in the league would love ot have your return guy, he's a Hall of Famer. Period. I hope Prisco isn't a voter.

Since: Sep 16, 2007
Posted on: November 15, 2011 2:55 am

Monday Musings: Slow down on Hester to Hall talk

I believe 1/12 of the game is still part of the game is it not? Lets say Hester ends his career with 25-30 returns for TD's. It might sound a little farfetched, but to me it seems realistic. How do you not include him as HOF worthy? He would be so far ahead of anyone else that ever returned kicks in NFL history that you just couldn't ignore him. I think when it's all said and done he gets in. Also agree that Ray Guy should be in as well.

As for the comment on how will Hines Ward handle being a #4 wr. I would expect him to handle it with a dose of reality. I think he is smart enough and professional enough to realize he's not as fast as the other Steeler wr's. But anyone that doesn't thnk he can't contribute anymore on 3rd downs or in the red zone I think is sadly mistaken. Obviously not a 70 catch wr anymore, but definitely a contributor and team player.

Since: Dec 15, 2006
Posted on: November 15, 2011 1:39 am

Monday Musings: Slow down on Hester to Hall talk

I agree. If I was building an all time team I would put Hester as my returner. Isn't that enough? All time great at a certain position? Honorable mention to Mel Grey!

Since: Sep 22, 2009
Posted on: November 15, 2011 12:58 am

Monday Musings: Slow down on Hester to Hall talk

The HoF has it's head up it's butt when it comes to special teams. There have been some truly special return men and kickers and none have gotten their due. Devin Hester is HoF worthy. So is Gary Anderson and Morten Andersen. Special teams is a big part of the game and it's time the best of the best got their due.

Since: Oct 29, 2006
Posted on: November 14, 2011 9:32 pm

Monday Musings: Slow down on Hester to Hall talk


If you really think the average NFL running back could play QB better than Tebow you need to have your head examined.  The past 3 touchdown passes that Tebow has thrown were NFL caliber throws that you usually see from Brady, Manning, etc.  Your homeboy Sanchez should be taking notes from Tebow about how NOT to turn the ball over.  7 TDs 1 INT in 4 games started this season.  Those are the stats that should matter for a quarterback.  I could care less about the percentage of completed passes.  In Tebow's case, the ones he completes win football games.  So shut the hell up.

By the way, I'll take you on your bet that Denver gets embarrassed by the Jets.  I think that Sanchez is going to test Bailey and pay dearly for it.  Tebow probably won't complete more than 50%, but he won't make stupid throws that result in costly turnovers. 

Since: Jun 15, 2009
Posted on: November 14, 2011 9:22 pm

Monday Musings: Slow down on Hester to Hall talk

Devin Hester is a more impactful player than Peyton Manning!  It's true.  To at least one misguided soul in cyberspace.  Go down the page a few posts and read all about it.  The beauty of the internet is that you get to hear from deep thinkers who actually believe stuff like this.

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