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Monday Musings: Slow down on Hester to Hall talk

Posted on: November 14, 2011 1:57 pm
 

There's been a lot of talk this week about Devin Hester being Hall of Fame worthy.

I say no.

Hester is a great return man, but do we put return men into the game -- even if they are the greatest of all time?

We've had a lot of great return men in our time, guys like Brian Mitchell of the Redskins and Eagles. Did anybody ever consider him a candidate for the Pro Football Hall of Fame?

Hester is a special return man. He now has 18 returns for scores, one off the record of returns for touchdowns held by Deion Sanders.

But when you consider special teams to be 1/12th or so of the game, how can a player who returns kicks and punts be in the Hall.

Let's call Hester what he is, a special return man who can change a game.

Not Hall worthy.

----Who are the Atlanta Falcons on offense? That's it. They don't know. If you trade up to get Julio Jones in the first round, don't you have to become a pass-first team? But they played ball-control football against the Saints in the first half. It worked. They won the time of possession battle, controlling the ball for llnor. They were also trailing at the half. Matt Ryan threw for 122 yards in the first half as the Falcons used a lot of bunch formations. In the second half, when they were forced to spread things out, even with Jones out with a hamstring injury, they moved the ball better. Ryan finished with 351 yards and a touchdown. Harry Douglas, who would be the slot receiver in a three-receiver set, filled in for Jones and had a big second half. He caught eight passes for 133 yards in the game, all but one catch coming in the second half. I understand the Falcons want to keep the ball away from Drew Brees, but that strategy only works if you score touchdowns. Chunk plays are what they need, not ball-control offense.

---Tim Tebow is 3-1 as a starter. But what position is he playing? It sure as hell isn't quarterback. Tebow completed two passes against the Chiefs Sunday -- and won. How the heck does that happen? I know there are a lot of media members out there singing his praises and lauding Denver for playing to his strengths, which aren't quarterback strengths. But anybody who thinks that's a winning formula in the NFL needs to have their head examined. All the Broncos are doing, maybe in a subtle way, is proving that Tebow isn't the long-term answer. Tebow had one completion for 56 yards and a touchdown -- he looked like an NFL passer on that play -- but he completed just one other pass. He ran for 43 yards on nine carries.  The Broncos are proving a point to everyone without really proving it. Tebow can't be an NFL quarterback. He just can't.

---Can we slow down the Cam Newton hype now? Newton was just OK against the Titans. He threw for 212 yards on 23 completions and was picked off once. He ran seven times for 55 yards. But Newton's numbers are coming down. Are teams figuring him out? He was also sacked five times, three of those from non-down defensive players.

---So Chris Johnson is alive? Johnson looked more like his old self against the Panthers, rushing for 130 yards and a touchdown. He also had four catches for 44 yards. Just remember, the Panthers have real problems stopping the run. But it's a start.

---Enough, already. Curtis Painter is horrible. The Colts need to sit him down and play somebody else. Anybody but him.

--Steelers receiver Hines Ward had one catch for 10 yards against the Bengals. It looks like Ward is being phased out. When Emmanuel Sanders returns from injury, expect the Steelers to make Ward their fourth receiver. That could be interesting in terms of how he reacts.

--- Tony Romo completed 23 of 26 passes (88.5 percent) for 270 yards with three touchdowns. Still have doubts about him?

---Does it really matter who plays quarterback for the Redskins? The Shanahan family has totally botched the handling of that position. Rex Grossman was back in as the starter against Miami and he was 21 of 32 for 215 yards and two picks. The Redskins scored six points.  Ugg.

---I think the Rams would be making a mistake if they fire coach Steve Spagnuolo. It would be unfair with all the injuries his team has sustained. He deserves another year. The Rams are still fighting for him.

--The Jaguars have held opponents under 300 yards in six of their first nine games and the Colts were eighth team to be held below their average against the Jaguars (282.8 avg.) Defensive coordinator Mel Tucker has done a nice job with that unit. It won't help his cause that corner Rashean Mathis is now out for the season with a torn ACL. Mathis was having a good season in a contract year. 

---The Cardinals should keep John Skelton in as their starting quarterback. He looked good after an early interception. With the way Kevin Kolb was struggling, why not take a look at Skelton. If he continues to play well, it will be interesting to see if the Cardinals would admit a mistake on trading and paying Kolb.

---Losing Eric Wood is a big hit for the Bills offensive line. He has played at a high level this season. In Wood and guard Andy Levitre, the Bills have two really good linemen.

---If I'm the GM of the Eagles, I am not paying DeSean Jackson. His act this season tells you all you need to know about him. The book on him coming out of Cal was he was selfish. Some teams had him off their board. Now we know why. His teammates should be sick of his act by now.

--It's laughable to think Falcons coach Mike Smith opted to go for the first down from his own 29 because he got a new contract last year. Whoever said that does not know the man. The aggression is part of who Smith is as a man. I respect his decision, even if I disagreed with it.

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Comments

Since: Jun 15, 2009
Posted on: November 14, 2011 8:36 pm
 

Monday Musings: Slow down on Hester to Hall talk

Hey pigpen, are you aware that Deion Sanders played a bit of cornerback, and played it rather well?  Even lined up at receiver a few times.  Whether you are on the side of Devin Hester being Hall of Fame caliber or not, he is not in the same class of player as Deion Sanders.



Since: Jan 11, 2008
Posted on: November 14, 2011 8:32 pm
 

Monday Musings: Slow down on Hester to Hall talk

because he was a hall o famer cornerback!



Since: Sep 11, 2008
Posted on: November 14, 2011 8:19 pm
 

Monday Musings: Slow down on Hester to Hall talk

If Hester isn't HOF potential......then why is Deion Sanders in the HOF?





Since: Dec 1, 2006
Posted on: November 14, 2011 8:14 pm
 

Monday Musings: Slow down on Hester to Hall talk

couldn't have said it better!  Prisco is a MORON!




Since: Nov 8, 2010
Posted on: November 14, 2011 8:01 pm
 

Monday Musings: Slow down on Hester to Hall talk

The Colts will never sit Painter if that means jeopardizing their chances at the number one pick. You cannot tell me that Suck for Luck isn't on their agenda. NO NFL team should be losing the way they are losing. 62-7?? Really??



Since: Sep 13, 2007
Posted on: November 14, 2011 7:37 pm
 

Monday Musings: Slow down on Hester to Hall talk

Prisco you're a moron. Do you even understand the purpose of the HOF? The first item on the list of the Hall's mission statement is, and I quote, "To honor individuals who have made outstanding contributions to professional football".


In what land of 'R' Tards do you exist that the greatest kick returner in the history of the NFL would not deserve to be honored as such? Your 1/12 logic is akin to someone saying a sniper is less worthy of recognition on the battle field because he only shoot's 1/100th the # of rounds that a machine gunner does. 


Here's a homework assignment for you. Look to see how many times D. Hester has touched the ball on a kick off or punt and how many of those touches have resulted in a TD. Then take that ratio and compare it to Peyton Manning's touch to TD ratio and see whom the bigger impact player is.


Then after realizing your imbicilic post above is the best you've got to offer us here on CBS, fire yourself and kick your own ass.       
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mowse
Since: Jan 1, 2007
Posted on: November 14, 2011 7:32 pm
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Posted on: November 14, 2011 7:31 pm
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Since: Oct 30, 2007
Posted on: November 14, 2011 7:29 pm
 

Monday (Short) Rebuttal: Devin Hester, a HOF life

Devin Hester is a HOF player to me and also to many of those who are watching. Even those like Pete who disagree... because they are debating it shows his worthiness.

Like players named Peyton Manning, who 
really is as close as a one man show for offense (see the 0-10 2011 Colts as proof), or Lawrence Talyor was for defense, Devin has also been a game changer who is fast showing us he's been consistently the best who ever did his position. Arguments about a debateable "1/12th" aren't valid as those times have changed games for his team. When teams don't kick to you at all and when they do, you score TDs.. then you're special indeed.

Ultimately, one can debate the HOF as really a PR/Popularity contest based on the very subjective criteria of so-labeled biased "insiders/MEDIA/1%" to begin with. Even the those who lean objectively will still base there votes on their own biases.
 



Since: Oct 20, 2011
Posted on: November 14, 2011 7:26 pm
 

Monday Musings: Slow down on Hester to Hall talk

This 1/12 argument makes no sense.  The fact is that every time the Bears make a defensive stop or allow a score he affects the very next drive by changing field position in the offenses favor with his returns, forcing teams to kick away, or flat out scoring.  That equals way more than 1/12 of the game.  Most of the Bears teams hes been on do not have great offenses and have capitalized on great field position to score, which is not even measured statistically. 


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