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Big East Preview 11, Seton Hall Pirates

Posted on: November 6, 2008 12:42 pm
 
I believe Seton Hall was a better team than they appeared last year.  They have a bit of talent.  It may be difficult for them to be anything more than "better than they appear" once again in 2008-2009.  They are typically an afterthought in the Big East conversation, perhaps especially this year.  Will they be able to make people regret that with some surprises?  Will they fade to the bottom of the pack, instead?  My thoughts may surprise you.
2007-2008
Results:

17-15 Overall, 7-11 Big East (11th)
Eliminated first round Big East tournament (Marquette)

Roster:

Larry Davis                G
Mike Davis                F/C
John Garcia              F/C
Paul Gause               G
Eugene Harvey         G
Jeremy Hazell           G
Brian Laing               G/F
Jamar Nutter              F
Augustine Okosun    G
Brandon Walters       F


2008-2009
Departures:

Larry Davis, Laing

Brian Laing is a huge loss for this team.  His 18.6 points and 6.9 rebounds per game had him in the conversation for BE player of the year.  Can anyone replace his production?  Davis is a different matter.  He played a lot of minutes, but they weren't terribly productive ones.

Arrivals:

Melvin Oliver            C
Jordan Theodore   G

That's the freshman class, and it isn't an impressive one.  It is not a good sign that the freshmen don't compare to most other Big East classes when the returning players finished 11th last season.

Robert Mitchell     F (transfer from Duquesne)  Here is the solid addition to this year's team.  He sat out 07-08 as a transfer, but his numbers at Duquesne were very good.  He could add a lot of what was lost with Laing's graduation.  The Big East should watch out for him.

Herb Pope             F (transfer from New Mexico State)
Keon Lawrence    G (transfer from Missouri)

This is a pair of talented but troubled players.  I believe both will have to sit out 2008-2009, but if anyone has information to the contrary please let me know.

The Schedule:

Nonconference Games
:   St. Francis (NY), Columbia, USC (Peurto Rico Tipoff, other possible oponents include: Chatanooga, Memphis, Fairfield, Missouri, Virginia Tech, Xavier), Delaware, Monmouth, California Baptist, St. Peter's, IUPUI, James Madison, Fairleigh Dickinson

They shouldn't lose any games other than the Peurto Rico Tipoff, which features 3, maybe 4 teams better than them.  If they can make a strong showing in that tournament, it might make a difference come season's end.

Two Time Opponents
:  Connecticut, St. John's, Rutgers

Four of those six games are very winnable, and the Pirates likely want revenge for last year's loss to Rutgers.

Remaining Roadies:  Syracuse, Notre Dame, DePaul, Marquette, Louisville, Cincinnati

Seton Hall had better perform well at home, because in this third of the BE schedule I see only one game they should win.

Home Games: West Virginia, Villanova, Providence, Georgetown, South Florida, Pittsburgh

Not an easy slate by any means.
The Outlook

Best Case Scenario:
      The five leading scorers, after Laing, that return all add a few points to their averages by virtue of some extra minutes.  Robert Mitchell steps in to Big East play the way he left A-10 play, and contributes 15 or more per game.  While they struggle on the boards, they distribute the ball well enough to win all the ooc games they should.  They stun USC in the Puerto Rico tip off, and finish third there behind Memphis and Xavier.  They take four BE games against St. John's and Rutgers, two more on the road, and two more at home.  That 8-8 record is enough for a top half finish, and an NCAA invite.

Worst Case Scenario
:
     Mitchell can't quite translate his game to the Big East.  No real leader emerges, and while the returning players improve it just isn't enough.  They get nailed in the tipoff tournament, and lose a couple early games that they really shouldn't.  The Big East is too much for them, and they only manage to split against the easier repeat opponents, and add one home and one road win. The resultant low seed in the Big East tournament means another loss and an end to their season.

My Take:
     A lot of people will probably write this team off completely with the loss of Brian Laing.  That will be felt, but I'm not ready to dismiss them as irrelevant just yet.  Honestly, with the transfer of Mitchell, I think this team will have about the same amount of talent as last season.  He isn't Laing, but the combination of his insertion into the lineup and the improvement of the many returning players should just about equal the production lost from Laing.  They underperformed last year, so if they play to their potential this year they could play in the postseason.  They aren't quite NCAA worthy, but they will likely battle it out with Cincinnati and Rutgers for 11th place...and could even sneak into 10th if anyone "above" them has a disappointing year.  If they do so, and beat a bottom feeder in the first round of the BE tourney, they could garner an NIT invite.
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Comments

Since: Oct 13, 2006
Posted on: November 12, 2008 6:19 pm
 

Big East Preview 11, Seton Hall Pirates

Ok pittblaster...  There is no way this team doesnt go 10-2 non conference...  That would require either 3 losses in Puerto Rico (not happening)  or 2 losses in puerto rico and a loss @ james madison...   Thats 10 wins...

They are noticably better than South Florida, Rutgers, St Johns, Depaul, and Cincinnati..  Thats 7 games they should win...  Will they win every game?  Probably not, but even if they only go 5-2 here, thats up to 15 wins...   Providence, Syracuse (gonzalez's suspension) WVU, Nova, Gtown are all rather winnable...  2-3 record here is 17 wins...  They will likely not beat Uconn, or ND (i think these are the only 2 teams besides memphis theyd really have no shot vs...  Then theres Marquette, Pitt who we always play tough, and Louisville...  Theres either 6 or 7 games depending on USC outcome where the opponent is definately better.. You want to tell me this team wont win 1 of those?  I find it hard to believe, especially with the way we play... That would be 18..

Now back to last seasn...  My comment regarding Nova was that with Gause playing, there is NO WAY we lose that game..  If you followed this team, you would realize how important he was and how that game was decided...  Keep in mind we were winning the entire game as it was and a PF hit his first 3pter of the season with like 4 seconds left to beat us after an offensive rebound...   We also wouldve destroyed St Johns and Rutgers with gause.. Its not even debatable..  I dont think we're better than Nova this year, however I dont feel like they're head and shoulders better than us either..  

Now again back to last season...  We outplayed Uconn for the first 25 minutes last year, and then Adrien swung at Gause's wrist, breaking it..  We got killed the final 15 minutes (lost by 12)..  We played real well in the middle of the big east schedule, and then came the Notre Dame game where our season effectively ended... Gause Got tripped in the lane and tore his ACL..  Good Game season..  The point is, even though we finished 2-9, the team fought hard every night.. There was never any quit..  Even against Marquette in the big east tournament.. We were in the game for 38minutes, and actually had the lead briefly in the 2nd half...  Thats with 3 guys who played 0 defense all getting over 30minutes, a 6-5 PF, and a center with a bad knee... 

I realize you're probably not a seton hall fan, and theres nothing wrong with that.. But I dont think you even have a clue about how important Gause is, how bad Larry Davis is (transfered to Loyola Marymount  3000+ miles away) after getting over 21minutes per game, and around 30 in games Gause didnt play, or how 1 demensional Brian Laing is...  Again, I'll point out that he was named MOST DISSAPOINTING PLAYER at Portsmouth...  Do you really think that was a coincidence?

This team won 7 conference games last year, lost 3 games at the buzzer (Rutgers, St Johns, Nova) all at the buzzer...  Gause got hurt in the penn state game where we were up 20+ in the second half and we lost that game in OT...  (just to show how important our trap defense is)  We got absolutely screwed in the Marquette game on the road in the final 2 minutes after leading the ENTIRE game... 

 This was with a PG who was in lala land all season to the point where Nutter ended up playing point for extended minutes in games which moved Harvey to SG which was even worse..  Our Shooting guard played a total of 16 games (gause), 4 of which were big east games (Uconn for a half, @ Rutgers, @ Gtown, ND for a half)  Michael Glover getting raped by the NCAA and not playing, Chris Smith leaving school before the season started (brother of JR Smith, Denver Nuggets star)  Forcing a 6-5 guy with no defensive skills to speak of to play PF all season (Laing)  our center fighting injuries all season and forced to play anyway (Garcia), and Larry Davis getting bigtime minutes...

Louisville and Providence are the only teams we beat last year that got noticably better...  While St Johns lost their 4year starting PG, USF lost their entire offense as it centered around Gransberry, Cincy lost their PG, and Depaul still sucks...    Rutgers didnt get much better.. 

We're arguably better at EVERY position this year..  How you could say we havent improved is mind boggling...

Harvey 15lbs stronger, with Theodre backing him up.. We had our choice and signed Theodre before rutgers signed Rosario...
Gause allows us to press full court and get countless easy buckets...  The guy does everything.. 
Hazzell is better than Larry Davis... Davis transfered 3000 miles away because he knew he wouldnt see the court this year...
Mitchell is a much better fit than Laing for this team.. Hes undersized too, however when EVERY player and coach says no disrepect t t  o     &nbs
p;   Laing, but Mitchell does more, you should probably listen.. Especially when he WANTS to play defense...
Garcia who's healthy is 10x better than hobbling up and down the court garcia..




Since: Oct 13, 2006
Posted on: November 12, 2008 6:19 pm
 

Big East Preview 11, Seton Hall Pirates

Ok pittblaster...  There is no way this team doesnt go 10-2 non conference...  That would require either 3 losses in Puerto Rico (not happening)  or 2 losses in puerto rico and a loss @ james madison...   Thats 10 wins...

They are noticably better than South Florida, Rutgers, St Johns, Depaul, and Cincinnati..  Thats 7 games they should win...  Will they win every game?  Probably not, but even if they only go 5-2 here, thats up to 15 wins...   Providence, Syracuse (gonzalez's suspension) WVU, Nova, Gtown are all rather winnable...  2-3 record here is 17 wins...  They will likely not beat Uconn, or ND (i think these are the only 2 teams besides memphis theyd really have no shot vs...  Then theres Marquette, Pitt who we always play tough, and Louisville...  Theres either 6 or 7 games depending on USC outcome where the opponent is definately better.. You want to tell me this team wont win 1 of those?  I find it hard to believe, especially with the way we play... That would be 18..

Now back to last seasn...  My comment regarding Nova was that with Gause playing, there is NO WAY we lose that game..  If you followed this team, you would realize how important he was and how that game was decided...  Keep in mind we were winning the entire game as it was and a PF hit his first 3pter of the season with like 4 seconds left to beat us after an offensive rebound...   We also wouldve destroyed St Johns and Rutgers with gause.. Its not even debatable..  I dont think we're better than Nova this year, however I dont feel like they're head and shoulders better than us either..  

Now again back to last season...  We outplayed Uconn for the first 25 minutes last year, and then Adrien swung at Gause's wrist, breaking it..  We got killed the final 15 minutes (lost by 12)..  We played real well in the middle of the big east schedule, and then came the Notre Dame game where our season effectively ended... Gause Got tripped in the lane and tore his ACL..  Good Game season..  The point is, even though we finished 2-9, the team fought hard every night.. There was never any quit..  Even against Marquette in the big east tournament.. We were in the game for 38minutes, and actually had the lead briefly in the 2nd half...  Thats with 3 guys who played 0 defense all getting over 30minutes, a 6-5 PF, and a center with a bad knee... 

I realize you're probably not a seton hall fan, and theres nothing wrong with that.. But I dont think you even have a clue about how important Gause is, how bad Larry Davis is (transfered to Loyola Marymount  3000+ miles away) after getting over 21minutes per game, and around 30 in games Gause didnt play, or how 1 demensional Brian Laing is...  Again, I'll point out that he was named MOST DISSAPOINTING PLAYER at Portsmouth...  Do you really think that was a coincidence?

This team won 7 conference games last year, lost 3 games at the buzzer (Rutgers, St Johns, Nova) all at the buzzer...  Gause got hurt in the penn state game where we were up 20+ in the second half and we lost that game in OT...  (just to show how important our trap defense is)  We got absolutely screwed in the Marquette game on the road in the final 2 minutes after leading the ENTIRE game... 

 This was with a PG who was in lala land all season to the point where Nutter ended up playing point for extended minutes in games which moved Harvey to SG which was even worse..  Our Shooting guard played a total of 16 games (gause), 4 of which were big east games (Uconn for a half, @ Rutgers, @ Gtown, ND for a half)  Michael Glover getting raped by the NCAA and not playing, Chris Smith leaving school before the season started (brother of JR Smith, Denver Nuggets star)  Forcing a 6-5 guy with no defensive skills to speak of to play PF all season (Laing)  our center fighting injuries all season and forced to play anyway (Garcia), and Larry Davis getting bigtime minutes...

Louisville and Providence are the only teams we beat last year that got noticably better...  While St Johns lost their 4year starting PG, USF lost their entire offense as it centered around Gransberry, Cincy lost their PG, and Depaul still sucks...    Rutgers didnt get much better.. 

We're arguably better at EVERY position this year..  How you could say we havent improved is mind boggling...

Harvey 15lbs stronger, with Theodre backing him up.. We had our choice and signed Theodre before rutgers signed Rosario...
Gause allows us to press full court and get countless easy buckets...  The guy does everything.. 
Hazzell is better than Larry Davis... Davis transfered 3000 miles away because he knew he wouldnt see the court this year...
Mitchell is a much better fit than Laing for this team.. Hes undersized too, however when EVERY player and coach says no disrepect t t o     &nbs
p;   Laing, but Mitchell does more, you should probably listen.. Especially when he WANTS to play defense...
Garcia who's healthy is 10x better than hobbling up and down the court garcia..




Since: Jan 15, 2007
Posted on: November 12, 2008 9:37 am
 

Big East Preview 11, Seton Hall Pirates

Wow...first, it is flat-out homer to say in your "worst-case scenario" you win all the games you should.  That is in no way the worst case...it's the expected case.

Also, I think you underestimate just how good the middle of the Big East is.

I agree you should go 4-2 in the home and homes, because two of the teams you play are pretty bad.  But this team did lose to Rutgers last year, and Rutgers is better while you are worse (again, you still SHOULD beat them twice, but will you?)

There's no way you lose to Nova, huh?  They are better than your team.

If they start winning some games, I'll believe in them...but there's nothing to say they will be better than last year on paper...and there's a lot to say the conference will be better around them.

Out of 16 teams in conference, Connecticut, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Notre Dame, Villanova, Syracuse, Providence, Rutgers, St. John's and maybe Marquette are all better than they were last year.  Georgetown and West Virginia aren't as good, but still better than the Pirates.  Cincinnati is probably worse because of injuries and such, but maybe not.  That leaves South Florida and DePaul as definitely worse than SHU, and probably St. John's and Cincinnati worse than SHU, and Rutgers with an even shot.

In terms of overall wins, you're right that the noncon is horrid.  You'll probably lose to USC, but that will pave the way for two relatively easy games probably against Chattanooga then Missouri, so you could get 4th place and come out of there 4-1.  I can even believe the 11-1 noncon as a best case.  But if you think you're grabbing 10 more games against the BE, I think you're deluding yourself about just how good everyone else in the conference is.



Since: Oct 13, 2006
Posted on: November 12, 2008 1:44 am
 

Big East Preview 11, Seton Hall Pirates

Worst case scenerio (assuming no injuries to Gause, Mitchell, Garcia) this team goes 18-12.  The Non Conference schedule is horrid to say the least and the only non puerto rico game I see them not winning by 10+ is @ James Madison..  Even if they lose that game, they will win the 8 home non conference games rather easily..  Puerto Rico they will go 2-1 regardless of what happens in the USC game..  They will either shoot real well and beat USC, and then get killed by Memphis due to no bench and exhaustion, or lose to USC and take out their frustrations on UT Chat..  If they lose, they'll likely play Missouri in the consolation game who theyre better than, and if they win their first game, they will likely play VA Tech in the 3rd place who we're better then...  The added bonus is neither Missouri, nor VA Tech will provide much force inside allowing us to play our run and gun game...  Non Conference 10-2...

Then it gets interesting, because Jamel Jackson will be on our roster come January, and the word is Lawrence will be granted a waiver and become eligible in January as well providing us with amazing guard depth... Too bad Pope will have to sit the entire season  (second year in a row our best player has not played the meaningful conference games)  I'm assuming that since Ive heard nothing on Oliver 2 days before the first game that he wont be eligible, however if he were to be cleared, that would change the entire outlook on the season as wed have a force inside...

Big East Home games:  WVU, Nova, Providence, Gtown, Rutgers, St Johns, Uconn, USF, Pitt

There is no reason why we dont win atleast 5.  RU, St Johns, USF we will be atleast 6pt favorites in,  Providence, WVU, Nova, Gtown are all rather winnable, and honestly Uconn and Pitt would be real tough...  Cautiously stating we win the 3 we're supposed to, and 2 of the 4 toss ups that gives us 5-4 home conference record...

Big East Road games:  Cuse, ND, Uconn, Rutgers, Depaul, Marquette, St Johns, LV, Cincy

I feel like we got real lucky with the schedule this year...  We got the home and home with st johns, rutgers, and uconn and quite honestly should go 4-2.  We got Depaul, and Cincy who are gonna be horrible on the road, meaning 2 of the better teams in conference are home games..  The only way the schedule couldve broken better was if we played USF twice instead of Uconn...  Theres no way a healthy SHU team doesnt win atleast 3 of these games, and quite honestly I expect us to win atleast 4, especially with Cincys PG now done...

 

We won 7 games in conference last year while Gause missed 14 big east games i believe?  We had to play Larry Davis, Eugene Harvey, and Brian Laing all over 30minutes per game, and not a single one of them even attempted to play defense...  In defense of Laing, he was expected to carry the scoring load and was badly undersized in big east play, but the point is you cant win when you're small, your 2 best players are sitting in street clothes, and you have 3 guys on the court who dont play defense.. Yet we won 7 conference games, and everyone that follows this program knows we likely wouldve gone 11-7 had Gause not gotten hurt... 

Theres no way we lose to Nova, Rutgers, and St Johns, and a very strong case could be made that we wouldve won @ Marquette as well... 

Everything that could go wrong last year did..  We had a kid transfer out before playing a single game (Chris Smth) due to the fear of no minutes.. Glover got raped by the NCAA (the fact that Tyreke Evans is eligible and Glover isnt is apalling) Okuson sat out 3 important games in a row due to worries about his eligibility... Gause missed essentially the entire conference season, John Garcia was injured but had to gut it out every night on a hobbled knee, and we had no bench...

 

We may only have 8 scholarship players until January when we should get 2 more, along with a few walk ons but the talent this year is noticably better...  Mitchell is not only a better player than Laing, hes a better fit for what we need... He does a lot more than just "score"  Listening to Hall line on the way home from the exhibition game was actually comical...  The kid from Malloy who scored all their pts scored them on Walters, not Mitchell..  Mitchell only played 22 total minutes, and about 7 in the first half due to foul trouble for attempting to take charges..  Mitchell can score at will, and unlike Laing, looks to get his teamates involved..  He passed up numerous open outside looks for a better look inside by one of the cutting guards, or a big posting up..  He brings that defensive intensity along with Gause that this team so badly needs in order to compete against the big east elite...

We bring in Theodre, Mitchell, healthy Garcia, healthy gause, Lawrence and Jackson come January...

we lose:  Okuson (biggest loss due to Oliver situation)  Nutter (second biggest loss)  Laing, and Larry Davis (what a gift) 

And all these delusional pirate fans that think Laing was gods gift to college basketball last season and disregarded the fact that he didnt pass, and didnt play defense because he was the 2nd leading scorer in the conference...  Just a reminder... After the season he was a virtual lock to get drafted... Until he went to Portsmouth and was named MOST DISAPPOINTING PLAYER there...  Keep that in mind...

 

Last years starting 5:

Harvey
Nutter
Hazzell/Davis
Laing
Garcia

"bench"  Hazzell or davis, mike davis, okuson, occasional brandon walters siting (went 7-11 in conference beat the best team in the league)

This years starting 5:

Harvey:  15lbs bigger/stronger...  If he doesnt perform, he sits.. that wasnt an option last year...
Gause:  our whole season focuses around his ability to cause havoc on the defensive end... He makes others want to play D
Hazzell:  should be better than last year
Mitchell:  (hopefully somehow Oliver is eligible, or mike davis learns not to foul every play so he can move to the 3)
Garcia:  knees healthy (atleast for now)

Bench:  Theodre, Davis, Walkons (they will play more than walters in PR should oliver not become eligible) Walters...
with wildcard additons more than likely come January of: Lawrence, Jackson...

Even if Oliver, Jackson, and Lawrence dont play a single minute all season the talent level this year is so much better than last year...  Gause is a game changer, as is Mitchell and theres something to be said when you're 2 best players are also your 2 best defensive players.. It sets an example for the rest of the team to follow...

Final season predictions..

Non Conference 11-1... I think we lose a close game to USC simply because we will be counting on walk ons in the second half, while USC relies on McDonalds All Americans...  I cant see Mike Davis staying out of foul trouble, which in turn will cause Garcia to get in foul trouble...  This will force Gonzalez to play extended minutes with 4 guards along with Walters, and while walters offensive performance was impressive against malloy, he was constantly in the wrong spot on defense and that will translate into fouls stacking up...  The end result of this madness is that Walk ons will likely see rather meaningful minutes and in the end I feel like thats too much to ask of this team...  Gee Thanks Quinlan...  But thats a whole nother long post to deal with...   James Madison is a decent team but I dont think Gonzalez will let them trip up and I expect an undefeated continental united states non conference schedule...

Big East 10-8...  I think we could win more, but realistically with the variables on whether we get Jackson and Lawrence eligible and whether Oliver will ever see the court, im going with 10-8...  I cant see us losing to St Johns, Rutgers, Depaul, Cincy, South Florida..  Thats 7...  WVU, Nova, Providence, Gtown, Cuse are all rather winnable, and I think between the games we should win and the winnable games we have 9 victories...  I expect this team to play hard all season, and expect a big upset against either Pit, Louisville, or Marquette...  I cant see us beating either Notre Dame, or Uconn due to the fact that they have an abundance of height, while we dont... 

 

21-9 finish, somewhere around 8th seed in conference, and because of our poor non conference schedule, likely an elimination game for an NCAA bid in the 8-9 first round big east matchup...




Since: Sep 17, 2007
Posted on: November 10, 2008 9:29 am
 

Big East Preview 11, Seton Hall Pirates

Okusun is definitely gone.  His transfer announcement was late and considering he wasn't that huge of a contributor, ESPN and a bunch of other sites probably were not aware until it was too far gone.

Mitchell not playing in Puerto Rico is going to hurt a bunch.  He's 1 of 2 in between sized players ... Without him, it's just Jeremy Hazell and then down to a bunch of 6 footers - Eugene Harvery, Paul Gause and Jordan Theodore.  The possible 16 points a game he brings really hurts the Hall's chances of stealing a win.

You're probably correct about Pope and Lawrence ... Rumor is that they are going to keep applying for waivers, but with the Hall's luck with the NCAA committee - Mike Glover being rejected twice and now Melvyn Oliver now being eligible yet - It could be a long year for the Hall.  Btw ... Oliver not being on the roster is a huge loss.  The Hall has only 3 big men without him, none of them are all that dominating. 




Since: Jan 15, 2007
Posted on: November 7, 2008 12:40 pm
 

Big East Preview 11, Seton Hall Pirates

I don't know much about Theodore, really...I've been basing my opinions on individual players largely on rivals.com and scout.com.  He might be better than they're giving him credit for.

My analysis of "not impressive" was more based on the fact that it included only two players, neither of whom was rated higher than 3 stars anywhere I looked.  Some teams in the conference are bringing in that many 4 or 5 stars, AND a 3 star or two.  Others bring in classes that might not have a better individual player than Theodore, but have more depth.

I'm not at all sold on Oliver, though his size will help maybe a little.  If Lawrence can play this year that'll make a big difference.  We already know he can contribute at the NCAA level.

In other words, Theodore might be pretty good, but he's not as good as the best player in most of the other Big East classes, and he doesn't have much help (none if Oliver can't play) so measured as a whole class it's weak.  This of course doesn't include the transfers, who are a bigger addition to the team than the freshmen, IMO.



Since: Feb 27, 2008
Posted on: November 7, 2008 11:07 am
 

Big East Preview 11, Seton Hall Pirates

You don't like Jordan Theodore?

I disagree with your assessment of Jordan Theodore.  This kid can play.  He comes out of an incredibly competitive high school that's not afraid to travel out of state.  He also considered going to Pitt, Florida, Memphis and Cincinnati.  Not too shabby.

I'm also hearing Keon Lawrence will be elgible due to hardship. 

They are small but if Melvyn Oliver becomes eligible, that will change.  He and an experienced Garcia will be more than solid.

 




Since: Jan 15, 2007
Posted on: November 6, 2008 5:24 pm
 

Big East Preview 11, Seton Hall Pirates

Yeah, I missed Nutter as a departure.  Thanks for that correction.  As for Okusun, really?  I saw he was listed on a bunch of rosters (rivals, ESPN) so I figured he was still there.  I did mention Davis leaving though.

Sucks about Mitchell...I doubt they'll be able to hang in there in PR without him.  I don't think they'll miss Oliver much.

Thanks for the info on Pope and Lawrence.  I assumed they had to sit out, but I wasn't sure.

I don't know if things are looking up as much as I thought...but I still don't think this is a radically different squad, in terms of talent, than last year's bunch.



Since: Sep 17, 2007
Posted on: November 6, 2008 4:16 pm
 

Big East Preview 11, Seton Hall Pirates

There are a few things that you are off on ...

Jamar Nutter and Brian Laing graduated.  Augustine Okusun and Larry Davis tranferred. 

Melvyn Oliver has not been cleared to play by the NCAA committee.  Robert Mitchell has been suspended for the first 2 away games in Puerto Rico by Seton Hall AD Joe Quinlan.

Herb Pope's 2nd waiver to play this season has been rejected by the NCAA committee.  Keon Lawrence still has to academically qualify internally to be made eligible to play for the Hall, and then has to get a waiver from the NCAA committee ... Fat chance there.

All in all, a very positive year for the Hall.

 



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