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Source: Martz fined $20,000

Posted on: November 19, 2008 5:25 pm
San Francisco offensive coordinator Mike Martz has been fined $20,000 by the NFL for comments last week criticizing officials, a league source confirmed on Wednesday. The source said the fine was consistent with league policy for coaches and players with public comments critical of officials. Martz was fined after sounding off following the 49ers' 29-24 loss to Arizona on Nov. 10, a game that ended with the 49ers one yard from victory. Martz was irked after officials spotted the football at the Arizona 2-1/2 yard line with three seconds left, then started the clock without giving San Francisco what Martz considered sufficient warning. His contention was that he did not have enough time to check out of a play from the 1, which was the original spot after a Frank Gore run. Martz also said he would've called a pass had he known the ball would be placed at the 2. Mike Pereira, the league's vice president of officiating, said the 49ers were notified of the spot when referee Tony Corrente made an announcement over the PA system, but one member of the 49ers' organization who was on the sidelines that evening said it was difficult if not impossible to decipher announcements in the last minutes of the game. 
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Since: Mar 5, 2007
Posted on: November 20, 2008 5:54 pm

Source: Martz fined $20,000

IF the NFL is "fixing" or "swaying" games for certain spread outcomes, it is probably a good idea that they fine anybody that criticizes the officials, because criticism could lead someone to investigating exactly how the "sway' or "fix" was performed. 

It is better for the powers that be to just get a quiet complaint from the coach which they can just file away (in the trash), THAT is the "professional" manner.


Since: Nov 5, 2008
Posted on: November 20, 2008 2:12 pm

Source: Martz fined $20,000

Well put Fred.  Freedom of Speech means exactly that, Freedom from unjust punishment for speaking your mind.  We arent talking about someone yelling fire in a crowded theatre.  We are talking about someone venting.  Since when does venting constitute the types of fines being levyed against these players and coaches.  With the way some players (PACMAN) act these days, the league should realize that there are bigger fish to fry.  If they spent half as much effort on making them behave as they do on making sure they stay quiet I think the league would have a much different image.  The problem is not the coaches and players ciritisizing officials.  The problem is the perception that their comments are what is giving the league a bad name.  My opinion is that maybe the economic times are hitting the NFL as well and they are looking for any reason they can make a little extra revenue off of the players and coaches.  As much as I disagree with the way Joey Porter brought up the whole Matt Jones thing he was dead on.  The league needs to reevaluate its priorities and what constitutes a fineable offense.  Cocaine possesion, assault, steroids = fineable / Whining = who really cares?

Since: Sep 15, 2008
Posted on: November 20, 2008 1:07 pm

Source: Martz fined $20,000

If the rules are laid out before hand in an organization that says you can not say this or that, then you can't say it. You are welcome to leave the organization and then say all you like. It is a priviledge to be in the NFL, not a right. Regardless of if you like the rule or not, Mike Martz was wrong and he should pay or quit the NFL and go on a speaking tour against the refs - how much do you think people would care then? Yes the league does this to protect its "integrity", but that is their right.

Since: May 4, 2007
Posted on: November 20, 2008 1:04 pm

Source: Martz fined $20,000

Actually officials can be fined but it is pretty rare...

Nick Barnett of the Green Bay Packers essentially received the apology that he was looking for Friday when the National Football League fined the official who placed the linebacker in a neck hold from behind Sunday against the Chicago Bears.

Umpire Jim Quirk was fined one game check, or $8,150, for what the league described as "inappropriate physical contact with players."

Quirk received his discipline Friday at the NFL office in New York during a meeting with Commissioner Roger Goodell. Quirk, who works as a consultant, is in his 20th season as an NFL official.

This is about the only instance I can find of an official being fined. And, it wasn't for a blown call. Officials are graded after each game and their performance is used when deciding who gets to call the playoff games - in other words who gets more checks for calling more games. Example; I'll guarantee Ed Hoculi will not be calling any playoff games this year.

Since: Sep 13, 2006
Posted on: November 20, 2008 12:06 pm

Source: Martz fined $20,000

The Niners coodinators up in the booth could have told them where the ball would be spotted 10 seconds after the referee stopped the game. It was obvious on TV where they were going to spot the ball.
Also, didn't the officials save the 49ers a penalty for illegal formation by negating the spike play? That penalty would have included a 10-second run-off and the game would have been over.

Since: Mar 21, 2008
Posted on: November 20, 2008 10:37 am

Source: Martz fined $20,000

For those who are interested and not convinced that they are correct despite evidence to the contrary, check out:

It discusses a decision in New Jersey where a group of people were prevented from distributing flyers in a condominium development with material that the owners of the development were not pleased with.  The group was barred from distributing the material but a judge's decision found that this was an impingement on their rights.  In no way or form was Congress involved in restricting this group.

The Constitution, and especially the Bill of Rights, is not, and has not, been interpretted literally through the history of our nation.  There are many shades of grey, and this is why we have such a burdened judicial system.  If you continue to think I'm wrong, that's fine.  You're entitled to your opinion.  For the rest, check out what's out there.

As for this thread, going into work and running your mouth about your boss isn't the same as what players and coaches are doing.  They've said nothing about Roger or the NFL.  A better correlation would be if you went into work and told people that Dave in sales (sorry to all the Daves out there)  blew the merger, and you would have done things differently.  Don't get me wrong, I feel for officials.  Their mistakes are on display for view by the nation, and they're human so there will be mistakes.  But they chose the job knowing this.  They get paid for this.  They need to have a skin thick enough to endure some public acknowledgement that, yep, they screwed the pooch, and a bunch of people know it.  If a coach rants and personally insults an official, then by all means fine him.  But a calm statement that you disagree with a call shouldn't draw a penalty from the NFL.

If anyone would like to continue a discussion, please message me privately.  There are too many interesting sports issues for me to keep blathering publicly about this.  Bring on baseball hot stove!

Since: Nov 23, 2006
Posted on: November 20, 2008 10:18 am

Source: Martz fined $20,000

Was Norv Turner or the entire chargers team fined after the week 2 game against the broncos because everyone was slamming the officials. I guess if the ref says he made a mistake then they dont fine them? whatever happened to free speech in this country

Since: Aug 20, 2006
Posted on: November 20, 2008 9:51 am

Source: Martz fined $20,000

I agree, but because its against league rules they can get away with it. Think about the NHL, they let players fight during a game with minimal consequence. If they were on the street they would be arrested.

Since: Aug 20, 2007
Posted on: November 20, 2008 9:50 am

Source: Martz fined $20,000

I disagree with the NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB, NASCAR or anyone else for fines levied against coaches, crew chiefs, owners, players, drivers, etc. for voicing their disagreement with an officials ruling or call.  The last time I checked we do live in America where one of our constitutional rights is "Freedom of Speech"!

So, I guess you can bitch and moan about your boss and the way he runs his company loudly to everyone that will listen, with absolutely no repercussions?

Didn't think so.

Since: Aug 20, 2006
Posted on: November 20, 2008 9:48 am

Source: Martz fined $20,000

The league seems to be giving out fines for everything the last couple years. Are they hurting for money or what? When are they going to start putting fines on the media for asking stupid questions that might be leading to the fines??? Does anyone care about that? I do. Fine all of the them!!!

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