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Giants out of Edwards talks

Posted on: April 23, 2009 8:49 am
 

A source close to the Giants tells me the club is out of the Braylon Edwards talks because the price was too steep. A week ago, it looked like it would happen. Now, it doesn't, with the team committed to finding Plaxico Burress' replacement in the draft. The Giants talked about Anquan Boldin, too, but those talks are dead, too, according to the source. The Giants must find an outside receiver in the draft because, as one source said, "they don't have a No. 1 or No. 2 receiver. They're all threes and fours."  

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Since: Mar 12, 2007
Posted on: April 24, 2009 12:59 pm
 

Why the Browns want the 29th pick

 I've grown tired of the back and forth over Edwards value.  I would note that the National Football Post reported that the Browns were talking to Miami about a Ronnie Brown + picks trade for Edwards until the Browns walked away.  I would also note that if the compensation involves only second and fith round picks, you will see many more teams who are interested.  I will simply attempt to explain what the Browns want out of the trade, and why they won't make the trade if they don't get it.  The Browns want Kiwi or the 29th pick plus a third rounder.  The Browns don't have a third round pick this year.  The Browns like the center Alex Mack and Pittsburg is probably going to take him at 31.  So if the Browns can not get either Mack or Kiwi then they hold on to Edwards (unless another team enters the fray).  My overall point is that this isn't just a game of poker.  The Browns have their eyes on specific players and if the Giants dont' give the Browns what they need to get those players, the Browns would rather keep Edwards.  




Since: Mar 23, 2007
Posted on: April 24, 2009 12:09 pm
 

Giants out of Edwards talks

 

I think it's all a smoke screen and the deal gets done. It's unbelievable allot of you G-men fans don't have a clue. I think it because your use to the Yankees just going out and buying any player they want. First there is no way you can trade up for Crabtree. He's a top five pick on most boards and according to the Draft Value Chart more than 1700 point value. The total value of your first, both second, and top third pick is 1526. That's less than what you'll need to move up for that pick. Edwards will be a restricted free agent next year. He wont get away from the Browns with out compensation. There is no way he goes for a second and fifth, when the Browns can force more in compensation in 2010. He was a 2007 probowler,  The third pick in the Draft, His numbers were off last year but he still lead his team to defeat the defending Super Bowl Champion Giants on Monday night football. The window for competing for an other Championship is open now for a short time. If you would rather take a year or two to develop receivers that's up to you but I'll be very surprised if Reese doesn't act this year.



Since: May 1, 2008
Posted on: April 24, 2009 9:04 am
 

Giants out of Edwards talks

In Jerry we trust.....the man is a draft day genius and I think he will still get the WR we need by COB saturday.  I am going to sacrifice a chicken just to be sure though

 




Since: Sep 2, 2006
Posted on: April 24, 2009 9:01 am
 

Giants out of Edwards talks

 Talks are dead for now.  They are both playing hardball.  They will meet half way on draft day.

 




Since: Mar 28, 2008
Posted on: April 24, 2009 8:08 am
 

Giants out of Edwards talks

 

 In all fairness I think your dead on about that, teams have been very gun shy and have kept players who obviously don't want to be there, and as a fan I think it stinks that fans have to watch a guy who obviously didnt want to be there, I mean if someone didnt want to play for a team I rooted for I sure as heck wouldn't wanna see him play every day.  and if were talking just a first for breylon edwards then I think cleveland is getting a fair deal, even a first for cinco would be fair, boldin I think it a little harder to price as he is a legit #1 in the NFL




Since: Feb 4, 2008
Posted on: April 24, 2009 8:03 am
 

Giants out of Edwards talks

I agree 100%

Braylon Edwards is not the guy...he drops way to many balls and has had, what, one good season?  I really wish the Giants would give up their 1st and maybe 2 more picks to move up and grab Michael Crabtree...this is the way to go.  This guy is going to be really good.  The next Calvin Johnson in my opinion.  If they can't get that done...then I really hope they grab a guy named...Ramses Barden a little later in the draft.  I think he is a real sleeper...but ya never know.

That said...I think someone else said it before..."no talks are ever dead", but I hope Reese is smart enough not to make this deal. 




Since: Apr 24, 2007
Posted on: April 24, 2009 6:33 am
 

Restricted vs. Unrestricted drives these talks

This is nothing more than a smoke screen.  Braylon will get traded and the Browns will get their 1st and 3rd.  The price is right for the Giants (a VERY low 1st rounder and a 3rd)... or someone else (maybe the Eagles?).  I believe the sticking point is the Browns want another player and the Giants would rather just give up the picks.

Don't forget that after Braylon's contract is up he becomes a RESTRICTED, not UNRESTRICTED, free agent.  He may want to leave, but the Browns can essentially tender him as a first rounder costing any team signing him a 1st and a 3rd OR they can just wait and match any offer he receives.  That doesn't place Braylon in a very good bargaining position.  

It's that RESTRICTED status that makes him such a good value in a trade situation.  As the team acquiring him, you don't lose much.  If he works out, you can resign him.  If he doesn't, you can always recoup your picks when his contract is up and he becomes a RESTRICTED free agent.  Unlike Boldin or TO who would be UNRESTRICTED acquisitions with much higher price tags and very little leverage for their acquiring teams.

Be serious.. If you were a GM would you roll the dice in the draft, on an unproven commodity, when you can acquire a former top 5 pick WR who has already attained Pro-Bowler status?  Especially if that receiver gives you additional bargaining leverage after 1 year?

We'll see what happens...




Since: Aug 31, 2006
Posted on: April 23, 2009 10:30 pm
 

Giants out of Edwards talks

 

 I see we mention all the dropped passes. Does anybody realize that Braylon holds most of the single season receiver records for the Browns all time (And the Browns used to ahve an old-time guy in Paul Warfield)? One season doesn't make the player. He had a bad year. Soem his fault, some due to the stupid Stallworth cleating incident that caused him to miss most of preseason, and some because the Browns have such a crappy running game that the safeties have nothing better to do than double cover a receiver. I'm just saying, he's played all of 3 seasons and one of them is the alltime franchise best (and almost league best, except for T.O, which everybody seems to think can't play). A first (where there draft posistion is and a 3rd or 4th is nothing compared to where he was originally drafted (#3 overall and he was considered the best player overall by most experts). This article is stupid because any deal done is a draft day deal. The Browns have to figure out who to trade, how to get somebody to buy into the #5 slot that they really don't want, and see who ends up being QB when the dust settles. I'm actually a little pissed that the Browns would consider trading Braylon. He is a game breaker and rarely can be covered 1 on 1.

What I see going down is the Browns either drafted and trading Mark Sanchez (Broncos, Jets) or outright trading the #5 to get a later 1st and a 2nd or 3rd depending on who does the deal. If Sanchez is drafting in the forst 4, I think they will either pick up a key defensive guy or (and I don't know if they fell in love with anyone that they really want) once again trade out of the spot to get more depth because the player they want is taken. I think right at draft day, a player like Edwards, will have his highest value. But I'm not against trading our #5 to the Giants (if Crabtree is available) for some of their picks. I'm not sold on the Browns drafting their #5 slot. Edwards or Quinn will probably be dealt and maybe both.

Ideally I would like to see us trade down the #5. Trade a QB for some type of pick. Draft a 1st round d player. Draft a 2nd round rb and possibly 2 2nd round d players and let the ball roll from there. Giants are in the enviable position of having a bunch of picks and a ton of depth. They'll make some type of deal. And I wouldn't consider Boldin an out of the question trade, but Edwards would come much cheaper since the Browns are in the AFC.




Since: Dec 18, 2006
Posted on: April 23, 2009 9:25 pm
 

Giants out of Edwards talks

 Are you crazy??? Added to the pile of wrs who requested trades??? NO!  The only talks of trades w/ braylon came for the head office guys (kokinis/mangini).  Braylon wants to play for Cleveland, wants to be good in Cleveland, and wants to be a face of the team.  Do your homework before you start throwing around outlandish statements like 'Braylon requested to be traded'.  If the Browns can keep Quinn and Braylon, they'll have a start to an offense that could be better than expected.  If Braylon goes, so goes any explosiveness on offense.




Since: May 16, 2008
Posted on: April 23, 2009 9:10 pm
 

Giants out of Edwards talks

Braylon would've helped, but the G-men should be alright!



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