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Rooney Rule under fire in Carroll talks

Posted on: January 9, 2010 4:22 pm
Edited on: January 9, 2010 5:40 pm

So let me get this straight: The Seattle Seahawks have not offered the head-coaching job to Pete Carroll after all? Is that right? Call me skeptical, but I don't believe it. What I do believe is that the team is in damage control, trying its best to avoid getting called out for violating the Rooney Rule in what sure looks like a slam-dunk hiring.

I mean, who's kidding whom? Jim Mora was fired after one season. The club waited almost a week before taking action. Then, when it did, people close to the organzation said they were told that something big was going to happen. Now, do you honestly think that "something big" meant the hiring of Minnesota defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier?

Me neither.

The Seahawks were hot and bothered about Carroll from the beginning, with reports out of Los Angeles Friday night saying the club offered him a seven-year, $35 million deal. If that weren't true, I'd think Carroll or someone from his camp -- meaning USC -- would have stepped forward with an emphatic denial. But I haven't heard one.

In fact, I didn't hear anything knocking down this story until Saturday afternoon when reports had Carroll "agreeing" to become Seattle's next head coach. Suddenly, the cart was before the horse, and someone had to step forward before NFL commissioner Roger Goodell called for a Rooney Rule investigation.

I'll be honest, I can't be sure of anything here. But when you connect the dots, it sure looks like the Seahawks targeted Carroll from the beginning, made him an offer he couldn't refuse, then realized -- almost too late -- that they had to comply with that pesky Rooney Rule. So Leslie Frazier was contacted and interviewed, with sources now telling the AP that Carroll hasn't tentatively accepted any offer and is merely in discussions with the Seahawks about a possible job.

Yeah, sure. And the St. Louis Rams are playoff contenders.

The problem, of course, is that if the Seahawks are guilty of violating the Rooney Rule they pay a stiff price for their interest in Carroll, and I not talking about that alleged $35 million deal. I'm talking about a fine of $500,000 or more. That's what Goodell informed clubs they would be docked the last time something like this happened, which was when Detroit hired Steve Mariucci in 2003. The league said the Lions hired Mariucci before interviewing minority candidates, the Lions disagreed and I think you can guess who won. Then-Detroit president Matt Millen was fined $200,000.

My guess is that we haven't heard the end of this story, that if and when Carroll is hired the NFL looks into how and when it was done. All I know is that from where I sit the Seahawks look as if they leaped before they looked.

Category: NFL

Since: Nov 1, 2006
Posted on: January 12, 2010 3:51 pm

Rooney Rule under fire in Carroll talks

The President of the U.S.A has an Arabic name, Islam is a religion. Been telling people that for 2 years!

Since: Nov 7, 2008
Posted on: January 10, 2010 12:53 pm

Rooney Rule under fire in Carroll talks

Teams usually have a pretty good idea of who they want to hire when they start the interview process.  Do you think that if the Seahawks brought in Frazier or Fewell or any other minority coach, that they would have then said no to Carroll?  I think it is a great idea for more of a minority presence in ownership and coaching, but not by force because as teams have shown so far, they will only hire who they want and will interview who they need to so that they don't get fined.  

Since: Oct 31, 2006
Posted on: January 10, 2010 12:00 pm

Rooney Rule under fire in Carroll talks

"#3...people talk about white running backs not getting a chance.  Guess what... that is what tryouts are for.  Brian Leonard made his team.  Same with the NBA.  White players get opportunities to try out.  That is their opportunity to "interview."  A lot of players get cut by teams and end up making it eventually too. "

Just like there are interviews for coaching positions, the differance is there is not a requirement for teams to tryout a certain amount of white free-agents before the sign a black one in the NBA.  Not that I really think there sould be one.....i just think it's the same exact thing.  

Just like when it's Jackie Robinson's BDAY, all you hear is about how the percentage of black players in the MLB has been dropping and they need to find a way to get it back's like unless every single player/coach in every sport is a minority it won't be enough.  Needs to be at least 99.9%.   

Since: Apr 26, 2008
Posted on: January 10, 2010 10:21 am

Rooney Rule under fire in Carroll talks

People are missing the point.

#1... the NFL adopted its OWN rule.  This was not government driven.  This was driven by a group of independent businesspeople deciding rules to adopt for themselves.  Nobody is TELLING them to interview candidates.  They are voluntarily agreeing to do so.  Who cares what independent people agree is a worthwhile endeavor for their private businesses? 

#2... if the circumstances are offensive to minorities, the minorities get to make that decision.  If Leslie Frazier does not want to be interviewed because it is a token interview... guess what... he can say "no thanks."  That saves him the trouble of appearing to be used as token.  If he wants to be "degraded," he can.  That's his choice.  Who cares???  As for me.. I have never heard of the guy.  So I guess he gained that... now I have heard of him. I also now know that he has aspirations of being a head coach soon.  For all we know, the GMs provide feedback to the interviewees that benefits them down the road.

#3...people talk about white running backs not getting a chance.  Guess what... that is what tryouts are for.  Brian Leonard made his team.  Same with the NBA.  White players get opportunities to try out.  That is their opportunity to "interview."  A lot of players get cut by teams and end up making it eventually too. 

#4... the NCAA refusing to adopt a Rooney Rule is telling too.  But at least the NCAA can reference the fact that they are government entities (often anyway) that do not need to waste the expense of interviewing candidates solely to promote racial equality.  This is a time of budget cuts, not extravagance.  More importantly, the NCAA is not a tight group of private businesses... the football goals of Texas and Arkansas St. are different.  The resources of Florida and Florida International are different.  The fan bases of schools are different.  The desire for a "Michigan man" or someone from the "______ coaching tree" is relevant.  And so on.

#5... finally, is it at all surprising that some of these coaching hires will come close to violating the rule.  I suspect that Pete C. did not even want to "interview" unless there was a vacancy.  But Seattle was not about to fire Mora unless Pete C. was really interested in leaving.  So a certain amount of slow dancing was required before Seattle could even get to the point of making that leap.  Pete C's agent probably advised HIM that the deal would not and could not be finalized until the Rooney Rule was complied with.  That extra $500,000 can help land better assistant coaches.  Or whatever. 

People need to turn off the TV and radio & think for themselves.  There is plenty to complain about and worry about in society without obsessing about this one...

Since: Jun 8, 2008
Posted on: January 10, 2010 9:37 am

Rooney Rule under fire in Carroll talks

 The Rooney rule isn't bad. It does work when a team is unsure of who they really want to hire. But in cases where a team knows beforehand who they want to hire, it could possibly be degrading. But on the flipside other teams will know that the minority candidate is interested and maybe he gets an interview in the future for a different team.

Since: Nov 14, 2007
Posted on: January 10, 2010 7:34 am

Rooney Rule under fire in Carroll talks


If I own a company, business, team etc why should I have to interview a black coach?  Why should I have to hire a black coach?  If I dont want to hire someone because they are black, that should be my right because I own the business.  Capitalism will work these things out.  unless you are implying that there are no qualified black coaches out there and they have to be interviewed in order to possibly get a job this is wrong.  If I make a poor business decision and hire a white man who is not as qualified as a black man and thats how I do business, I will not stay in business very long will i?  The only way to truely fix racism (to a degree, it is human nature to profile and be racist to some degree)  then we need to stop attempting to give hand out and further divide the country.  get rid of thing that dont treat everyone equally.  Get rid of Rooney, Title 9, Affirmative Action, all the "history months", stop having media companies do specials like "black in america" all of these things facilitate reverse racism when the only thing that should matter is that we are all Americans.

Since: Nov 14, 2007
Posted on: January 10, 2010 7:27 am

Rooney Rule under fire in Carroll talks

i agree.  This country has tragically fallen victim to reverse racism in so many different ways.  Somebody should get rid of the Rooney rule, title 9, black history month, latin history month, all this bull that just keeps dividing America further.  We are all Americans and thats all that should matter nobody should get different treatment.  Give the job to Carroll and be done with it. 

Since: Oct 9, 2006
Posted on: January 10, 2010 6:34 am

Rooney Rule is in itself racist

The entire idea of the rooney rule or any other "equal opportunity" rule is in itself racist. Why should anyone who either owns a company or sports franchise for that matter be forced to interview and/or hire someone because of their skin color? Any business person who is stupid enough to not hire the best candidate for any job because of their race, religon, sex, sexual orientation or any other reason other then are they the best person for the job is an absolute moron and deserves to fail. If the best person for the job is hired, what does anything else matter. I would want to interview as many people as possible, because I want the best candidate.
The very nature of this argument is racist, because it forces owners to have to look at the skin color and not the qualifications. I would want those whom had the most attractive resume's to interview and maybe a few young "up and comers" to see if they have the goods to get the job. When the government forces people down private businesses throats, this is when they assist in the failure of that business. If the seahawks wish to hire pete carroll, then so be it, its their team, they should be allowed to do as they see fit. When the redskins owner hired Jim Zorn and everyone with any sense knew he would fail, did the league step in and stop him? No they did not. Should they have? no they should not. Allow the owner to make his/her own mistakes and take it on the chin when they fail.
If the only reason I was interviewed was because of my skin color I would be demoralized by that, and I hope any self respecting person would be also.

Since: Sep 11, 2006
Posted on: January 10, 2010 2:32 am

Rooney Rule under fire in Carroll talks

And you are?

Since: Dec 14, 2006
Posted on: January 10, 2010 2:27 am

Rooney Rule under fire in Carroll talks

I've seen a bunch of people post comments that, even if a black coach gets a token interview, it is a positive because his name will now be mentioned for future jobs. When did it become the job of an owner to get publicity for other teams' coaches? When did it become the job of an owner to make other teams aware of potential coaching candidates?

This reminds me of when the government tries to govern through only ideals or compassion, instead of looking at the real-world results of their actions. It doesn't matter how pure the motives behind the rule were, the rule itself is a joke. I don't have a problem with the league trying to make sure everyone gets a fair shake, but I don't see that this idiotic rule makes one bit of difference in that regard.

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