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Big Ben expected to strike ... out

Posted on: September 1, 2010 6:51 pm
So now there's an ESPN report that Ben Roethlisberger will come to the NFL office Friday seeking a reduction of his six-game suspension to three. If true, it's a bold and courageous move by the Pittsburgh Steelers and their quarterback.

And one that is bound to fail.

Look, if there's one thing we've learned about commissioner Roger Goodell is that he means what he says. So when he says he supports an issue, it means he'll fight for it until he can make it happen -- with the new overtime rules Exhibit A and the New York Super Bowl Exhibit B. And when he says he will suspend a player for four to six games, he means he will suspend a player from four to six games -- period.

Not three. Not two. Four, five or six. Goodell is not exactly difficult to figure out. So if Roethlisberger wants to argue his case for three games, more power to him. He's just wasting his time.

"I can't see it happening," said a source close to the situation. "If (Goodell) meant to reduce the suspension to three games he would have said it. But he didn't."

Precisely. Goodell issued his suspension based on what the NFL uncovered in its investigations of complaints of Roethlisberger's off-the-field behavior. Roethlisberger is the first player suspended for violating the league's personal conduct policy who hasn't been arrested or charged with a crime, and that, apparently, is one factor motivating Roethlisberger and his representatives -- at least, according to the report.

But that's why this won't fly. That the league took such a tough stance tells you it found substance to the complaints and had to intervene to save Roethlisberger from himself. Hey, they even ordered an extensive "behavioral examination," whatever that means. To me, it means a guy has issues. Serious issues. And Goodell hinted at that when, referring to a complaint filed this offseason in Georgia, he said of Roethlisberger, "There is nothing about your conduct that can be remotely described as admirable, responsible or consistent with either the value of the league or the expectations of the fans."

Translation: Clean up your act, pal, or else.

That's why Goodell dropped the hammer. Just because Roethlisberger wasn't charged doesn't mean the guy skates. No sirree. He has to answer to a commissioner who is sick and tired of out-of-control players embarrassing themselves, their organizations and the league, and he's determined to clean it up. And he will make an example of Roethlisberger, with a very clear message that you don't have to be charged or convicted to get bounced.

Now, just because Roethlisberger has been a good boy for four months, Goodell is supposed to lighten up? I don't think so. He is nothing if not consistent. He suspended Pacman Jones for a season after repeated incidents, none of which resulted in convictions. But he'd had it with him. My guess is that he's had it with Roethlisberger, too, and is determined to make the quarterback ... and the Steelers ... understand he means business.

Cutting a suspension in half is not my idea of re-inforcing that message.

When Goodell said, "Your conduct raises sufficient concerns that I believe effective intervention now is the best step for your personal and professional welfare," he meant Roethlisberger needed to be leashed. So he leashed him for four to six games. Roethlisberger may have changed the last four months, but the incidents that got him in trouble are documented -- and Goodell acted based on what he found there. I can't believe he goes soft on him now. What I do believe is that you can take Roger Goodell at his word. When he says he will suspend Roethlisberger four to six games, he means it.

Last time I checked three was not between four and six. Someone pass the message to Roethlisberger.

Category: NFL

Since: Jan 6, 2010
Posted on: September 2, 2010 2:09 pm

Big Ben expected to strike ... out

The NFL did its own investigation which is as thorough as Federal Prosecuters (they have a 90% conviction rate by the way) and they found enough evidence to warrant a suspension.  Good enough for me.

Yo, cowgirl wake up a smell your manure.

Hitler's SS did its own investigations as prosecuters ( they had a 100% conviction rate by the way) and they found or manufactured enough evidence to warrant suspension for life.  I assume that also would be good enough for you.

I would love to see cretins like you get trapped in a situation by the likes of God-dell who can ignore Juris Prudence and charge, try, convict, and sentence without any proof of either criminal wrongdoing or the breaking of the stupid personal behavior policy conjured up by the most predjudiced comminssioner ever.

Oh well, I must consider the are a uniformed hater and grossly lacking in class.

Pardon me if I don't shed a tear for you or your ilk.

Since: Dec 9, 2006
Posted on: September 2, 2010 12:55 pm

Big Ben expected to strike ... out

Well...when its your daughter/sister/wife...I'm sure you'll change your tune. But as your name suggests...I would expect that from you.
Your wife/daughter etc...should know better then to follow a jock from bar to bar. If my kid did that she'd get little sympathy from me. If it was my wife i'd show her the rear entrance door btw.

Since: Sep 25, 2006
Posted on: September 2, 2010 12:55 pm

Big Ben expected to strike ... out

  So that I understand . . . a 99 reputation means that you fall into the flow, and make quippy names for people that the media has already trashed so that you can ride the crowd?  That about it?  Because the rest of what you're saying seems like just angry tripe.

Ben apologized for his conduct, for putting his team, the NFL and himself in a bad light.  Sincere?  Doesn't matter, according to your current argument.  He apologized.  Just please stop spinning what he apologized for.  I hope it's sincere.  I hope he's learning a lesson, and I hope he grows up.  He seems to be doing just that since Goodell dropped his hammer.  Will it stick?  Time will tell, regardless of what happens tomorrow.

It's interesting, almost ironic, that in attempting to answer legitimate arguments from those believing it wasn't rape that the girl was confused or in shock, or unsure of her course of action.  Legitimate points, but it speaks to the point . . . we're speculating.  We DO NOT KNOW.  What you know is what the papers spilled at you, and that appears to be good enough for you.  Are they right?  Maybe they are.  Maybe this time, they did a full and thorough investigation, and fairly reported both sides and all the facts that were available to them.  But I rather doubt it.  Because that doesn't sell papers, nor does it create hits on news & sports sites.  And that is their job.  Making sure you have facts is secondary.  Talk about fooling oneself.

Even the DA's commentary on why he wasn't pressing charges can be looked at from more than one angle.  Reportedly, he didn't pursue it because the young woman backed out.  You would say that she, like many rape victims, couldn't go through with that.  Maybe, though, she was simply flip-flopping, and couldn't be certain herself.

The DA is a joke.  His statements after the fact suggest that he was bitter and lashing out, possibly trying to justify the investigation and make himself the hero with his hands tied in an election year.  His comments bring his ethics into question, as he has used the media to enforce a sentence on Roethlisberger in lieu of a judge and jury, and a sentence that may not even be just.  If I'm a voter down there, I'm not voting for a guy who is ready to play public politics to prosecute, for the sake of his own reputation.

Goodell underreacted?  Based on what exactly?  He's got Ben red-headed being an idiot.  Frankly, that's all he's got.  That, and the jury of public opinion.  You speculate what would have happened, but fail to answer the other points brought up in his defense.  Oh, and this is in the hands of a commissioner who has himself destroyed evidence, and that not by accident.
A one-year suspension?  I guess you're trying for shock value, but it really is just melodramatic and dumb.  A one-year suspension without charges or conviction would have rightly brought the Players' Association into the mix, and then it would have gotten ugly.

Your whole assertion is based on what you think should happen, which is based on what you think happened.  God forbid you're ever judged that way yourself.

Since: Oct 5, 2008
Posted on: September 2, 2010 12:54 pm

Big Ben expected to strike ... out

I agree he hasnt raped anyone...YET.
Big Ben's been accused twice now and there are rumors he has gotten away with other sexual misconduct.
I hear he also goes around Pittsburgh acting like a Prima Donna...comps on everything.
He has no humility and is not humble so he needs this lesson to come back to reality.
Now you probably think i am a hater, i'm not.
I like Ben the QB. dislike Ben the person. Give him 4-6 weeks off commish.

Since: Dec 9, 2006
Posted on: September 2, 2010 12:51 pm

Big Ben expected to strike ... out

BTW, a lot of rape cases never go to it doesn't mean the offender wasn't guilty.

I'll never claim all cowboy fans are tards, but we do have us one here that's a certainty...Do you know why cases never go to trial nob? cause the victoms do not come forward. hmm...not the same here i'm afraid. There was not enough evidence to go to trial here wingding. How to make a totally irrelevant statement "BTW" in a post. Ben was an arrogant dink. "BTW", I know a boat load on dinks and they aren't guilty either, being a dink doesn't make you guilty of anything other then being a dink.

NO PROOF = NOT GUILTY(do not confuse not guilty with never happened, cause me and you do NOT know at all)...that's common sense. I also use my same sense to tell me he was a dink as well.

Since: Jul 24, 2009
Posted on: September 2, 2010 12:46 pm

Big Ben expected to strike ... out

Well...when its your daughter/sister/wife...I'm sure you'll change your tune. But as your name suggests...I would expect that from you.

Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: September 2, 2010 11:43 am

Big Ben expected to strike ... out

What's the difference, is my question.  The Steelers will be undefeated  when he comes back, and they will realize that all 3 of their backups are better Qb's than  Little Ben.  He is only going to be holding a clipboard when he does get back, after they see he is a detriment to them on the field as well, so who cares.

Since: Nov 11, 2006
Posted on: September 2, 2010 11:07 am

Big Ben expected to strike ... out

I think its gonna get reduced to three games maybe even two.The biggest factor in this whole deal is public perception in pittsburgh.the fans have embraced Ben and the commish has taken notice,if there was a witch hunt going on in pittsburgh i think the suspension stands.The fans know its time for football so they really want to see their team win so they are behind Ben and thats gonna be enough to sway Goodell.Keep an eye on the fans reaction to Ben when he steps on the field tonight against Carolina, i guarantee the commish will be watching to see how much these fans miss their quarterback thats why he scheduled the meeting for tomorrow.I say three the most and two if Mr Rooney gives a passionate speech on Ben's behalf.
That's the most moronic statement of all.  Fans of a team have welcomed Ben back so his sentence should be reduced?  Umm, Pittsburgh has no hopes of making the playoffs without him and perhaps not even making it with him.  Steelers fans look for reasons to welcome Ben back.  You see it on these boards all the time.  The girl changed her story (Ben won't tell his).  There's no evidence (but Ben's cop buddy got busted for his involvement in this case in which the evidences magically disappeared).  The girl is a liar (like the other one).  Get real Pittsburgh.  The guy is a dope.  Join fans of the other NFL teams and non-NFL fans in reality.  You might like it here.
Rapistberger deserves jail time not a reduction in his suspension.

Since: Nov 11, 2006
Posted on: September 2, 2010 10:59 am

Big Ben expected to strike ... out

Goodell has been greasing the skids for a reduction for months, by not suspending a series of players who have been arrested and charged. [Young, Benson, that stupid nose tackle for the Browns, etc...] He's trying to lessen the impact and outcry--like when Ford pardoned Nixon...then pardoned the draft dodgers to keep the masses from storming the White House.
He knows he overreacted. He wasn't arrested or charged because the girl said "No" when first asked if he raped her...changed her story three times...and couldn't remember the position they were in... Oh, and I left out that there was no trace of seamen or evidence of penetration. [this is all in the transcript, read it]

Rapistberger apologized for his conduct!  If there was no semen or evidence of penetration, what in the hell was he apologizing for?  Why does only Rapistberger get accused of raping women?  Why doesn't Brady, Manning, Brees, McNabb, etc?
Have you ever answered a question incorrectly?  I know I have and my wife is very likely to answer a question if she's stressed.  It's not inconceivable that this woman didn't:  a) understand the question; b) was in shock; c) wasn't sure she wanted to go after Ben.  I'm not so sure someone experiencing something they don't want to experience would remember the position if you could even call rape a position.  She was likely trying to get away.
Goodell underreacted.  If Rapistberger didn't have evidence stolen and destroyed, he'd be in prison right now.  A one year suspension would be laughable, but still more appropriate thatn 4-6 games.

Since: Feb 19, 2008
Posted on: September 2, 2010 10:35 am

Big Ben expected to strike ... out

It doesn't matter. Pig Ben will get in trouble again. His I.Q. is lower then the age of the girls he rapes. Plus with the Steelers O-line he will get hit alot and probably not make it trough the season . No play offs for the Steelers anyway.

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