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Hey, New England: Jax still out there

Posted on: October 6, 2010 9:16 am
Edited on: October 6, 2010 9:19 am
I'm as befuddled as Pete about what the Patriots do for a deep threat without Moss, but I know where they can go to find another receiver -- San Diego. Last time I checked Vincent Jackson was waiting by the phone.

The Chargers could have peddled the restricted free agent to Minnesota, but the Vikings weren't willing to meet their demands for multiple draft picks. OK, I get it. But this just in: New England has the ammunition to make a move. With reports circulating that the Pats gain a third-round pick for Moss, New England would have multiple choices in the first, second, third and fourth rounds in next year's draft. That gives them the flexiibility to make a move with San Diego, which was asking for a second and third from Minnesota.

Of course, there's always the issue of compensation. Jackson originally sought a five-year, $50 million deal, with $30 million guaranteed. The price went down as time wore on and interest waned -- so much so that Jackson was ready to take a one-year, $6 million deal with Minnesota. 

The hitch with all this is that eventually you have to do a long-term deal, and New England has demonstrated that it's not eager playing ball with guys who go public with demands for more money -- dating back to Deion Branch in 2006. There's also that issue of a three-game suspension for Jackson, so you wouldn't get anything more than a half year out of him. And it would be costly. You'd have to sacrifice two high draft choices to get there.

Just throwing it out there.

New England is in perfect position to turn a raft of draft picks into future starters. They're also in perfect position to give San Diego what it demands. There is a need for an impact wide receiver, but there was in 2006 when the Patriots peddled Branch to Seattle. So they tried to get by with Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney, and they made it all the way to the conference championship game -- missing the Super Bowl by one minute.

Maybe they figure they can do that all over again. I know a team in New Jersey that thinks they can't.

Granted, New England doesn't need another distraction. But it does need a quality wide receiver, someone to back off opposing cornerbacks, and Jackson qualifies. If the Pats believe he can help them ... if they believe he can fit in without disrupting things ... if they believe he's a long-term solution ... they have what it takes to interest San Diego in moving. 
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Since: Feb 8, 2007
Posted on: October 6, 2010 12:53 pm

Hey, New England: Jax still out there

I think Clark is forgetting that one false move and Vincent Jackson could be gone for an enitre season.  This is the reason no one wants to dump large amount of money for him and why teams are refusing to give up multiple picks for a one year rental.  Until A.J Smith and Jackson's agents come down from the high demands, he will be in a Chargers uniform....well not uniform because he is watching from home just like the rest of us.

Since: Apr 6, 2010
Posted on: October 6, 2010 12:35 pm

Hey, New England: Jax still out there

Bill won't trade his picks they will all go towards the defense and offensive line the young defense the Patriots have will only get better due to their amazing depth of picks.

Since: Oct 6, 2010
Posted on: October 6, 2010 12:08 pm

No VJAX, NE doesn't need him

Forget ths VJAX idea (or any trade for a top receiver "with issues").  Jackson has acted like a 5 year old whenever he hasn't gotten what he wants (not enough targets...he's worse than Moss with that and less of a team player).

Also, this gives NE the opportunity to send Tate on fly patterns (faster than moss at this point in his career and with less double coverage), so you might actually see the NE offense OPEN UP versus clam up with Moss gone.  At least until the point where defenses realize that you can't let Tate fly right by the CB for 66 yard bombs.....Hernandez is a beast in heat....and put Welker and Edelman on the field at the same time and you won't know which direction either of them are going as the linebackers heads spin.....mix up bunches of draws off the 3 WR + 1 TE (Hernandez) set with the LBs worried about Welker and Edelman's little slants.....and you've got a great set up of a prolific offense.....

Now, with all of that....with the Patriots draft picks next's not inconceivable for them to be in position to land Mark Ingram (at pick #6 or 7 depends on how Oakland does this year) which would give them a top-tier RB (stud) at, say, pick #22, 24 (who knows how NE will finish....let's assume 11-5 with the 9th best record in football and not going to the superbowl)....they get a Jonathan Baldwin at WR (6'5" 225 lb beast) if they even find the need for a big WR (Tate could develop). 

What I'm trying to say is that NE has picks in next year's draft that can bring great skills players in or beef up their D or lines....and they are in a great, great position for the future without destroying their prospect for this year.

They weren't signing Moss at the end of the year.   I HATE THE PATRIOTS....I'M A STEELERS FAN....but I can at least see why this was great for NE. 

Everyone get off of Moss's jock strap.  If Moss isn't determined to have junk at WR (not blocking, not running routes hard when the play isn't directed at him....things your average ffl fan doesn't think of when an NFL team is trying to win....not provide stats to an ffl team).  When Moss is determined, he's still amongst the best.  Wasn't going to be with NE this you had to get rid of his a$$.

Since: Oct 6, 2010
Posted on: October 6, 2010 12:06 pm

Hey, New England: Jax still out there

i think getting jax would be great for new england, sure they made it all those years with average receivers but their defense was way better than it is way they are going to make it far with that defense no running back and average receivers sure they exploded this wk against miami but before that their defense had been viewed as poor so if moss is out getting a big time play maker should be the move that will make them a great team again i know welker is the man but i bet he is going to get more attention now that moss is gone and im not sure no names are going to carry a team to a superbowl...

Since: Nov 6, 2009
Posted on: October 6, 2010 11:43 am

Hey, New England: Jax still out there

I agree with a lot of your guys' points about the Pats not getting Jackson bc "that's not how they typically do business," but the same argument was made before they got Moss, too.  Don't forget what a surprise it was to see Moss go to New England. 

Since: Aug 30, 2007
Posted on: October 6, 2010 11:37 am

Hey, New England: Jax still out there

The Pats will do nothing but sit on their draft picks. It is the same formula Indy uses. Let their top shelf QB develop the receivers they have. Look who the Colts have. The only receiver they have that would be a starter anywhere else is Wayne. I would be very surprised if they picked up a reciever. Why would they pick up Jackson at this point given their history of being cheap and relying on their staff for development. It makes no sense. Jackson wouldn't return to form until week 12 anyway and it would be a waste considering there may not even be a season next year. 

Since: Oct 6, 2010
Posted on: October 6, 2010 11:22 am

Hey, New England: Jax still out there

Great points.  They really did win the super bowls with average receivers, and by the names you threw up there, they are reasonable receivers I guess.  If anything maybe a running back would be better for them at this point.  And as a team they seem to know what they are doing, so I guess we'll just have to hide and watch.

Since: May 4, 2010
Posted on: October 6, 2010 11:03 am

Hey, New England: Jax still out there

While Vincent Jackson would certainly provide the deep threat option that Randy gave the Pats I do not believe that you will see Jackson in NE. That's just not the way the Pats do business. What you are failing to mention is that the Pats are loaded at the WR position. Edelman, Tate, maybe move Hernandez in the slot, etc. If they can improve the run game they will continue to be a very dnagerous team.

Does anybody believe for one second that this was not a calculated move? The three super bowls they won were with a bunch of average receivers, no star players. Granted the defense was better however this is a young defense that will continue to improve each and every week under Bill's tutelage. The Patriots believe in team chemistry not individual stars.  Cool

Since: Jan 10, 2007
Posted on: October 6, 2010 10:57 am

Hey, New England: Jax still out there

I would've rather seen tem go after Lynch

Since: Oct 6, 2010
Posted on: October 6, 2010 10:51 am

Hey, New England: Jax still out there

Its definitely an option for them to look at.  I just dont think Belichick is will to give up that much.  But they must have something up their sleeve to give up their deep threat.  Speculation is that they purposely did not give the ball to Moss on Sunday to see if they could win without him, and they easily did, but not because of another receiver.  It should be interesting to see what happens here, and it will be interesting to see what happens when Moss is wearing a Vikings uniform when they play against the Pats in a few weeks.

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