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Kolb's stock so hot Eagles may be forced to deal

Posted on: February 27, 2011 9:44 am
Edited on: February 27, 2011 9:53 am
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After interviewing GMs and coaches at this week's NFL scouting combine, I'd be surprised if the Philadelphia Eagles don't wind up trading quarterback Kevin Kolb. There just seems to be too much interest in the guy -- and too many teams willing to bid on him -- for the Eagles not to consider a move.

The Eagles haven't said that Kolb is for sale, but they haven't said he isn't, either.  Coach Andy Reid is a staunch supporter of Kolb and wants to keep him -- as he should. Kolb is young, he is proven and he is under contract for another season. Plus, he backs up Michael Vick, whose wide-open style of play makes him a virtual certainty to be hurt next season ... or any season.

But the Eagles may be offered a deal they can't refuse. They're in a position not unlike the one they had last year with Donovan McNabb ... except that Kolb has a future. McNabb had a year left on his contract, too, and the Eagles had to decide to keep him one season or get what they could for him when they could.

The situation is similar, except Philadelphia isn't shopping Kolb. According to people at this week's combine, clubs are calling the Eagles and are eager to make a deal. And you can see why. This year's draft class isn't strong at quarterback, with no clear No. 1. Plus, it falls off sharply after Blaine Gabbert and Cam Newton, and there's no certainty that either of those guys can make it. So that makes Kolb that much more attractive. He has started, he has won and he's 26.

The question, of course, is what it will take to get him. The Eagles years ago shipped backup A.J. Feeley to Miami for a second-round draft pick, but Kolb isn't A.J. Feeley. He's much better and more desirable. They traded McNabb last spring for second and fifth-round draft choices, but Kolb's best years are ahead of him where McNabb's were not.

So now the question: What will Kolb command?

"I guarantee you it will be high," said one coach. "The Eagles always shoot high."

That means a first-rounder and something else, probably another high draft pick, and while that exceeds what Houston quarterback Matt Schaub commanded when the Falcons traded him -- for a flip of first-rounders and two No. 2s -- apparently it hasn't dismayed suitors. Several clubs said they heard there's a bidding war on for Kolb, with clubs desperate to fill the most important position. You can figure that Arizona, San Francisco and Minnesota probably are involved, with all desperate to fill quarterback openings, but they're not saying, and either are the Eagles.

All I know is how Philadelphia operates, which is to set the bar high and deal only if they get what they want. A year ago the club went to the NFL scouting combine with Michael Vick available for the right price, which was a second-round pick. But it didn't budge because there was little or no interest. Vick hadn't played in two years and barely played in a third, with teams concerned he might never be the quarterback he was with Atlanta. So they backed off, and the Eagles kept him.

But league sources seem to believe Philadelphia can and will get what it demands for Kolb, partly because he is proven, partly because he has a future and mostly because he's better than what's available in the draft.

Of course, if and when there's a lockout next week, there can be no trades. Deals would be put on hold until a settlement is reached, and there's no indication a settlement is near. That could complicate or sabotage a trade if a work stoppage goes beyond the April 28-30 draft, with teams no longer able to offer picks in return.

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Since: Nov 7, 2006
Posted on: March 2, 2011 3:54 pm
 

Kolb's stock so hot Eagles may be forced to deal

It warrants noting that the Eagles cannot trade Kolb until a new CBA is in place.  If a new CBA isn't in effect by the NFL Draft in late April, it could complicate plans for teams interested in trading for Kolb.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: February 28, 2011 2:13 pm
 

Kolb's stock so hot Eagles may be forced to deal

Cards won't give up their first rounder, and they will pick Von Miller, unless O'Brien Scofield changes their mind in a hurry.

I wouldn't be so sure man... for a couple of reasons.  One, their situation at qb was worse then anybody in the NFL.  Didn't they use 2 undrafted qb's last year?  They looked like dog crap man.... just terrible... even their big win against New Orleans with a loser at qb looked good but wasn't... I don't think they had an offensive td in that game with the exception of a fumble the qb recovered and scored on...

And second of all, they have a guy named Larry Fitzgerald they want to keep... he has said he won't stay if they don't find him a qb that can throw him a football.  He gave them a list of qb's he wants and told them to pick one and get him..... they already lost other important players and the fans aren't happy.... 

If they lose Fitz ticket sales will drop considerably.... it's gonna get ugly in Arizona... sometimes teams have to do desperate things to get people in the seats....  this might be one thing the Cardinals have to do....





Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: February 28, 2011 2:07 pm
 

Kolb's stock so hot Eagles may be forced to deal

Thats my point exactly. Do you think all of those problems are going away by themselves? Trade Vick now while he's at his highest value and address all those problems. Otherwise you'll continually see him hobbling to the finish line every year....its that simple, simple.
I guess I see your point now.... but here's the thing.  Why can't they address the oline and defensive secondary WITH Vick as their qb and then possibly make a run at a Superbowl?

Before you answer that question, I'll give you an example of a team that basically did that overnight not too long ago.  When Vick got caught and went to jail, the Atlanta Falcons rebuilt that entire oline overnight.  They fired their coach and brought in somebody better, also overnight.  And they signed a probowl running back, once again overnight.  People like to compliment Matt Ryan and give him all the credit in the world... but Atlanta recognized that without a running qb like Vick they were dead in the water without those things... so they got the job done. 

Now maybe it takes the Eagles 2 years to get that done... I don't know.  They have some pieces in those trouble areas.. it's not like they need a complete overhaul.. and if they can get a couple of draft picks including a higher end first rounder for Kevin Kolb, they might be on their way.

Maybe i'm in the minority but I think Michael Vick is a special player... put aside the dog fighting stuff for a minute and you see a qb that threw for 3 thousand yards in 12 games and ran for almost 700.   That's on pace for around 4 thousand passing yards and 1 thousand rushing yards in a complete season if you pro-rate the numbers... it's unbelievable.  Throw in what would have been a 4 to 1 td's to int's ratio in a 16 game season pro-rated as well, and you have numbers unmatched by any qb of the last 10 years....

That comeback they made against the Giants without Vick's running abilitiy and most of all the threat and fear he puts  into other teams never happens... in football every game matters unlike other sports.

Vick does something only elite qb's can do occasionally,, and that's win games on his own....

Finally if you're Philly and you keep Kolb and he doesn't pan out, you are flat out screwed. 

And maybe to play into your idea a little bit, one suggestion I have that might work for the Eagles and a guy like Vick.  Don't play him much in pre-season.  When the games out of hand, pull him during regular season games.   Run the ball more with a lead....

Look... Phili has to be smart about this... if you're franchising a guy and he has the natural and physical ability to take you all the way, you have to protect him.  If they aren't going to do all the things I mentioned above then you're right, trade him now because there isn't a qb in the league that's going to succeed under the circumstances the Eagles put qb's in year in and year out...

I'm assuming they'll make the necessary changes....



Since: Apr 27, 2009
Posted on: February 28, 2011 9:56 am
 

Kolb's stock so hot Eagles may be forced to deal

As for your comment on federal prison, my bad.... you're so right.   I guess you've seen a ton of qb's spend 2 years in federal prison and then come back to the NFL, throw for over 3 thousand yards in 12 games, run for 676, 21 td's in the air, 6 int's and a 100 rating.  Yeah, everybody does that....  furthermore,  I highly doubt 2 years in federal prison is a cake walk or a ton of fun.
Redwing I was just correcting you. If you're going to use the term "hard time", make sure you know what it means. I highly doubt he was locked down for 23 hrs a day. Where did I say anything about it being a cakewalk or ton of fun.

99.9 percent of NFL qb's would never have seen the field again let alone put numbers like that up..
99.9% of qb's have never done 2 yrs in prison so we dont really know now do we. What we do know is that there have been players step away from the game for long periods of time only to return and still be productive.

That being said, football is a team game.  The Eagles had a terrible oline and bottom 5 D in the redzone....  if that doesn't change, they can't go to the big game... if they fix those things, Vick will get them there..... it's that simple
Thats my point exactly. Do you think all of those problems are going away by themselves? Trade Vick now while he's at his highest value and address all those problems. Otherwise you'll continually see him hobbling to the finish line every year....its that simple, simple. 



Since: Jun 1, 2010
Posted on: February 28, 2011 8:09 am
 

Kolb's stock so hot Eagles may be forced to deal

The Eagles did a fantastic job of pushing Kolb into the limelight just enough to show what he CAN do, realizing what they will get for him, and knowing full well that Kafka is just as good, and younger.  Well played by the Eagles, and best of luck to Kolb, as I know he will win some games...the Eagles simply dont need him at this point...



Since: Mar 27, 2009
Posted on: February 28, 2011 6:46 am
 

Kolb's stock so hot Eagles may be forced to deal

And you probably thought that Marino would win a couple before he retired? Andy Reid and the Eagles front
office seem pretty smart to me by signing Vick in the first place.



Since: Dec 11, 2006
Posted on: February 28, 2011 1:17 am
 

Kolb's stock so hot Eagles may be forced to deal

Cards won't give up their first rounder, and they will pick Von Miller, unless O'Brien Scofield changes their mind in a hurry.



Since: Nov 7, 2010
Posted on: February 28, 2011 1:09 am
 

Kolb's stock so hot Eagles may be forced to deal

it will be interesting Kolb in Arizona or in Minneapolis...they also have some talent in WR...



Since: Feb 5, 2009
Posted on: February 28, 2011 1:00 am
 

Kolb's stock so hot Eagles may be forced to deal

I hope the Cardnals are that stupid to trade there 5th pick for Kolb, so the 49ers can draft Von Miller



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: February 28, 2011 12:12 am
 

Kolb's stock so hot Eagles may be forced to deal

If the Packers were willing to trade Aaron Rodgers (which they never would) how many first round picks would it take to get him?  I'd guess 4.

Although tempting and flattering the Packers wouldn't do it.. not for even that many picks...  guys like Rodgers don't come around often and the fact the Packers have been the luckiest organization on the planet having Favre and then Rodgers means they'll never trade Rodgers....  and consider they are only paying him something like 11 million a year and it becomes a lock... he goes nowhere...


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