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Kolb's stock so hot Eagles may be forced to deal

Posted on: February 27, 2011 9:44 am
Edited on: February 27, 2011 9:53 am

After interviewing GMs and coaches at this week's NFL scouting combine, I'd be surprised if the Philadelphia Eagles don't wind up trading quarterback Kevin Kolb. There just seems to be too much interest in the guy -- and too many teams willing to bid on him -- for the Eagles not to consider a move.

The Eagles haven't said that Kolb is for sale, but they haven't said he isn't, either.  Coach Andy Reid is a staunch supporter of Kolb and wants to keep him -- as he should. Kolb is young, he is proven and he is under contract for another season. Plus, he backs up Michael Vick, whose wide-open style of play makes him a virtual certainty to be hurt next season ... or any season.

But the Eagles may be offered a deal they can't refuse. They're in a position not unlike the one they had last year with Donovan McNabb ... except that Kolb has a future. McNabb had a year left on his contract, too, and the Eagles had to decide to keep him one season or get what they could for him when they could.

The situation is similar, except Philadelphia isn't shopping Kolb. According to people at this week's combine, clubs are calling the Eagles and are eager to make a deal. And you can see why. This year's draft class isn't strong at quarterback, with no clear No. 1. Plus, it falls off sharply after Blaine Gabbert and Cam Newton, and there's no certainty that either of those guys can make it. So that makes Kolb that much more attractive. He has started, he has won and he's 26.

The question, of course, is what it will take to get him. The Eagles years ago shipped backup A.J. Feeley to Miami for a second-round draft pick, but Kolb isn't A.J. Feeley. He's much better and more desirable. They traded McNabb last spring for second and fifth-round draft choices, but Kolb's best years are ahead of him where McNabb's were not.

So now the question: What will Kolb command?

"I guarantee you it will be high," said one coach. "The Eagles always shoot high."

That means a first-rounder and something else, probably another high draft pick, and while that exceeds what Houston quarterback Matt Schaub commanded when the Falcons traded him -- for a flip of first-rounders and two No. 2s -- apparently it hasn't dismayed suitors. Several clubs said they heard there's a bidding war on for Kolb, with clubs desperate to fill the most important position. You can figure that Arizona, San Francisco and Minnesota probably are involved, with all desperate to fill quarterback openings, but they're not saying, and either are the Eagles.

All I know is how Philadelphia operates, which is to set the bar high and deal only if they get what they want. A year ago the club went to the NFL scouting combine with Michael Vick available for the right price, which was a second-round pick. But it didn't budge because there was little or no interest. Vick hadn't played in two years and barely played in a third, with teams concerned he might never be the quarterback he was with Atlanta. So they backed off, and the Eagles kept him.

But league sources seem to believe Philadelphia can and will get what it demands for Kolb, partly because he is proven, partly because he has a future and mostly because he's better than what's available in the draft.

Of course, if and when there's a lockout next week, there can be no trades. Deals would be put on hold until a settlement is reached, and there's no indication a settlement is near. That could complicate or sabotage a trade if a work stoppage goes beyond the April 28-30 draft, with teams no longer able to offer picks in return.

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Since: Jul 12, 2009
Posted on: February 27, 2011 3:50 pm

Kolb's stock so hot Eagles may be forced to deal

Kolb is proven?  Kolb is a winner?  Where does all of this come from?  This has not done enough on the field to warrant the attention. 

Since: Aug 7, 2008
Posted on: February 27, 2011 3:20 pm

Kolb's stock so hot Eagles may be forced to deal

Based on his name Kevin Kolb is not destined for greatness in the NFL. I have run all the permutations regarding his name and not once have the phrase "Kevin Kolb Super bowl MVP" come up. Kolb will always be a backup. Given the right situation he might be a starter, but he will never be a star. But Pat Devlin on the other hand is destined to run circles around Joe Flacco. Just make sure Devlin wears jersey number 5.

Since: Nov 9, 2008
Posted on: February 27, 2011 2:46 pm

Kolb's stock so hot Eagles may be forced to deal

Can't blame the Eagles for wanting a first rounder for Kolb... and make no mistake... someone will give them that first round draft pick for him. But I too am in the camp that believes the guy really hasn't proven a damn thing. I'm not saying he doesn't have the ability to be good to great at some point... just sayin'. You wait... the AZ Cardinals are desperate enough given the group of God awful scrubs they have on their roster. Gonna be interesting either way. 

Since: Oct 28, 2006
Posted on: February 27, 2011 2:38 pm

Kolb's stock so hot Eagles may be forced to deal

If I were the Eagles I'd keep Kolb and trade Vick. Kolb is younger, has more upside, isn't going to get killed running, and is cheaper. Vick had a great season but he's older, gets hurt because of his runningstyle, is more money, and had his only good throwing season of his career last year. Plus, with all that running he wore down in the final bunch of games and was less effective. I can see why teams like Kolb and will part with good picks to get him considering that you already have a glimpse of what he can do instead of chancing on a rookie in this years draft.

Since: Jul 13, 2009
Posted on: February 27, 2011 2:30 pm

Kolb's stock so hot Eagles may be forced to deal

So the Eagles draft Kolb with a 2nd-rounder, he barely ever plays, and now teams are looking to give them a first rounder and some players in return?

Since: Oct 28, 2006
Posted on: February 27, 2011 2:29 pm

Kolb's stock so hot Eagles may be forced to deal

You're dead on eightzero. If this was last years dradt none of these guy would be 1st round material. Every one of them has big questions and picking any in the top is risky considering the quality of talent at other positions. Quarterback may be a team like Carolina, Buffalo, Arizona, or San Fran's bigger need be the amount of "can't miss" talent other than QB is pretty good at the top. Instead of taking a chance on one of these QB's, I'd rather take Peterson, Green, Miller, Jones or Fairley.

Since: Nov 19, 2006
Posted on: February 27, 2011 2:07 pm

Kolb's stock so hot Eagles may be forced to deal

I will agree that the QB's in this draft are unspectacular. Howevfer putting a gap after gabbert and newton seems stupid, how is locker not atleast on par with those guys? Neither of those guys are sure fire hits ala Peyton, Bradford, Luck next year. I think it's stupid to say Locker is in a group below. He's far from a sure thing, but so are the other 2. I would avoid QB's if it's up to me but if forced i'd want Jake Locker.

Since: Dec 19, 2006
Posted on: February 27, 2011 1:59 pm

Kolb's stock so hot Eagles may be forced to deal

It is true that Kolb hasn't proven anything, but neither did Shaub.  The QB position is largely based on potential and speculation.  It's the most important position on the field, and teams will always overpay for that possibilty of a true franchise QB.  The Eagles will be able to get what they like.  That said, I think Kolb will have a fine career if he goes to a team with any type of pass protection.  He probably won't be Tom Brady, but he could be the next tier below it.  As an Eagles fan/Kolb 'guy', I find it depressing that we have to get rid of this kid without ever finding out his true potential because the fat head coach and clueless GM couldn't put together even a mediocre O-line.  Vick is fine, but he is older and has a shorter shelf life the way he plays.  It's bad when you have to trade a potential franchise QB because another part of the team you constructed is so horrid.  I will root for the Eagles, but will root for Kolb as well wherever he goes.

Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: February 27, 2011 1:48 pm

Kolb's stock so hot Eagles may be forced to deal

@LizardKing, everything I've read and heard from the "experts" is that its a hard class to judge right now. There isn't a "can't miss" guy and there are several guys who "might be able to play at this level". But 4-5 QBs taken in the first round? Not a chance. At most there will be 3 and that is if Seattle takes Jake Locker at 25 or whenever they pick. When the big-time draft gurus like Kiper, McShay and Mayock all agree on something I'm going to take their word on it. I believe they all have 2 QBs going in the first round, Gabbert and Newton and they've aknowledged the only way Locker goes early is if Seattle takes him in the mid-20's. Though from what I've read it seems Shanahan in Washington is willing to take him at #10, but that would be a huge reach and there are far better players available there. Especially on the defensive side where they've changed to a 3-4 and still need personel to fit that scheme.

This is a really tough situation the Eagles are in. Vick is such an injury risk that if Kolb is traded they've gotta bring in a solid veteran back-up. Mike Kafka seems to be winning over the coaching staff, which is nice, but he still started 1 year in college if I'm not mistaken. I'd trade Kolb and bring in a player like Alex Smith or Byron Leftwich. A QB capable of holding down the fort for a game or 2 and is probably not looking for a starting job, but also sees the chance to get on the field with Vick's style of play.

But it really has to be worth it. You can't trade him for a mid-late first rounder. Its gotta be a top 12-15 pick and something else to be worth it. Maybe its a matter of swapping 1st and 2nd rounders this year and getting a 2nd and 3rd next year. A team like Minnesota, Arizona or San Francisco that has the skill position guys set would be foolish to sit around for a few years and wait for their QB to develop and possibly end up losing great young talent like Vernon Davis, Larry Fitzgerald, Sidney Rice via free agency or having guys get old that don't play at the same level when the QB was drafted. Plus we know Kolb can play in this league. There are more first round QB busts than 1st QBs that actually make the pick worth it. If any of those 3 draft a QB it might not pan out.

Since: Jan 2, 2007
Posted on: February 27, 2011 1:45 pm

Kolb's stock so hot Eagles may be forced to deal

Hmmm I wonder who actually knows talent you or the 30 GMs.  Scary who can post here.
Tark, are we also talking about the same GMs who couldn't decide between Ryan Leaf and Peyton Manning as the #1 pick back in 1998?

Are these the same brilliant GMs who were fighting to get to the top of the draft to pick David Carr, Joey Harrington, Alex Smith, or JaMarcus Russell?

Are we talking about the same GMs who all passed on Drew Brees and let him fall to the first spot in the 2nd round?

Or are we bowing down to the same GMs who know talent so well that Tom Brady was allowed to slip to the 6th round behind Chad Pennington, Giovanni Carmazzi, Chris Redman, Tee Martin, and Spergon Wynn in the 2000 Draft?

Just because somebody is convinced a player is the next best thing since sliced bread doesn't make it so.  My point was against Clark Judge proclaiming Kevin Kolb was a "proven" (his words, not mine) quarterback in the NFL.  No QB can be declared proven after less than a half season's worth of starts.  It's not like Kolb blasted through the league and went 6-2 or 7-1 in his half season's worth of games.  He's 3-4 as a starter.  He's had excellent starts (Atlanta, week 6 in '10) and he's had shitty starts (New Orleans, week 2 in '09).  The jury is still out on him as a proven starter.  Does he have the potential?  Yes, I even stated that in my post.  But you're also ignoring that Andy Reid thought Kolb would be a better choice to start the season and it took Michael Vick all but a few games to show that might not have been the smartest move of Reid's coaching career.

So Kolb has some 300 yard games in his seven starts.  One of those 300 yard games was a 26-point loss to New Orleans while another was the win vs. Atlanta.  He also got his ass kicked by a Dallas team with nothing to play for at the end of this past season (18 for 36, 1 TD, 3 INTs) and was almost invisible in the season opener against Green Bay when he got knocked out after going 5 for 10 for 24 yards.

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