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Owners, Goodell break; what next?

Posted on: March 2, 2011 6:50 pm
Edited on: March 3, 2011 8:51 am
CHANTILLY, Va. -- NFL owners left their one-day meeting Wednesday afternoon with nothing resolved, and commissioner Roger Goodell followed them out the door over an hour later after meeting with member's of the league's labor committee -- not exactly what I'd call encouraging news if you're looking for progress in CBA talks.

But stay tuned. Goodell and executive vice president and general counsel Jeff Pash reportedly were seen going into the federal mediation and conciliation services building Wednesday evening, so what happens next is anyone's guess. While spokesman Greg Aiello said that no decision regarding a possible lockout was taken by league owners, he also acknowledged that a vote of owners isn't required. That authority, he said, belongs to the NFL's 10-man labor committee, and while it may know where it's going it's not saying.

And why should it? The league and Players Association are supposed to be involved in "good faith" negotiations, and the NFL isn't interested in saying or doing anything that could be construed as a compromise of that action. Nor should it. But don't tell me the exit of owners who comprise the labor committee 24 hours prior to a deadline for a new CBA is a good thing ... because it's not.

"We can get back together in a short period of time," said Dallas owner Jerry Jones as he left here, "so don't read anything into it."

It's hard not to. There's no doubt that a settlement is unlikely by midnight Thursday, but there could be an extension to the deadline. There was in 2006 after owners and the union broke off talks on a new CBA, and the extension resulted in a settlement. I don't know that that happens here. What I do know is that nothing much was accomplished here, other than owners getting the lowdown on what happens next.

"We didn't vote on anything," Indianapolis owner Jim Irsay said after the three-hour meeting. "It was more a thorough update and a chance to ask questions and that sort of thing. We didn't break the room with a lockout vote or anything like that that was initiated. It was really a complete update for us to ask questions.

"Going through these things in the 70s and 80s, I never have expectations because it changes. It's a chessboard that moves around and things change, and things happen at unusual hours. So I don't want to put any certainty on what the evening will bring and tomorrow. You just never know."

Goodell and NFL and Pash stayed behind early Wednesday evening to meet with member of the league's labor committee, but there were no plans to have a mediation session Wednesday evening. There will be another Thursday morning in Washington, D.C., between the league and the NFL Players Association, but let's be honest: There doesn't appear to be enough progress to make anyone hopeful that a settlement is near.

"I'm sure you guys will hear the 'Vegas rule,' " said Irsay. "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. So i guess it's been the 'Vegas rule' on that. It's important to have some sanctity in the rooms where negotiations are happening. From my personal perspective, there's always progress when you're talking and working forward."

Nevertheless, when Aiello was asked if he was "optimistic" a labor stoppage could be avoided before Thursday at midnight ... or that a settlement could be reached ... he reacted with mock surprise. 

"Optimism?" he said. "It's difficult to make those kinds of predictions. We'll leave that to you."

The owners' meeting was held a day after judge David Doty ruled the league could not withhold $4 billion in payments from TV networks for the 2011 season, a decison that is expected to provoke an appeal by the NFL. However, Aiello said no decision has been made on that possible move. He also said the league has not decided what -- if anything -- it would do if the players' union decertified prior to Thursday at midnight, as it said it would, a move that could prevent a lockout.

"That's a speculative question," said Aiello. "We'll have to wait and see what the developments are, and we'll respond accordingly."

Category: NFL

Since: Mar 19, 2009
Posted on: March 4, 2011 8:46 am

Owners, Goodell break; what next?

The players will not be able to live with no pay.  They should decide if the offer on the table NOW is better than the offer that will be on the table in October when the players decide to fold and give in.  Unfortunately the power resides with the owners.   

Since: Jul 22, 2008
Posted on: March 3, 2011 1:45 pm

NFL Will Lose Fans

This reason for this dispute is pure greed, if there is no NFL season this year, they should be very concerned as this type of behavior and action will only lend itself to the start of their real problem as follows: 

Every season which goes by with no NFL, more and more fans will get used to this whereas now, they have the 'rolling momentum' factor in that they have shored up their loyal fan base and are gaining new fans around the world every day.  However, with a lock-out, this momentum will come to an immediate halt and when/if they start the league back up, it could take decades to regain the trust of the fans and hence, the owners could see financial losses for many consecutive seasons.  

But even with this MONUMENTAL risk, the owners somehow still think they are Trillionaires and invincible.  I don't get it, the solution is easy: 

1.  Owners will get more of the pie in terms of future growth, their % should be higher on any extra revenue earned in the future from gaining new fans.  So, paid more on future growth.    

2.  Season stays at 16 games. 

3.  The league and owners will be required to contract NASA/Tech company to produce the most technologically advanced helmets known to mankind in terms of safety and while at it, look at total player's equipment.  The new helmets must be ready for this next season and NFL/Owners will obviously pay for this expense.  This will show that the league actually does sincerely care about the saftey of its' players. 

Obviously, this solution covers the main points of debate---everything else can easily be negotiated from here.  Owners are happy that they will get more of the pie from future growth in sales and fan base, but compensation stays the same using the past season's financial numbers as a sort of base-line.  Players get everything they want as well, same compensation as it is now along with same number of games and new helmets so it's truly a Win-Win.   

If the owners will not accept, they are not confident the league will grow, are overtly greedy and will vailidate the player's concerns that they care less about player's safety.   

Since: Aug 22, 2008
Posted on: March 3, 2011 1:21 pm

Owners, Goodell break; what next?

Hmmm Did not know the NFL was meeting in my backyard! Since there's only one hotel big enough to house this type of meeting, maybe I'll go over there ad voice the concerns of the posters!

Since: Nov 14, 2006
Posted on: March 3, 2011 1:13 pm

Owners, Goodell break; what next?

These type of negotiations are not meaningful until the very last minute. You learn that in negotiaons 101

Apparently you missed that course.

1982 - NFL strike lasted 57 days.

1986 - NFL goes on strike, first 3 games of the year were suspendend. The NFL goes with replacement players for weeks 4-6 and many of the NFL players cross their own picket line to come back to work against union wishes.

1993 - This CBA did not come down to the last minute and it has been extended 5 times, most recent was in 2006, all negotiations were finished well before the CBA expired.

Every meeting is meaningful, if you ever have been in a labor negotiation you would know that each meeting is just as important as the last. There is information to be gained, whether the meeting goes well or not, from each meeting.

Since: Mar 19, 2009
Posted on: March 3, 2011 12:54 pm

Owners, Goodell break; what next?

We the American people can't get the NFL operating to make everyone happy.  We the American people also can't get a defense budget to make everyone happy.  How about letting the NFL owners and players develop the defense budget and let congress develop the NFL CBA...........

Since: Dec 14, 2006
Posted on: March 3, 2011 11:30 am

Owners, Goodell break; what next?

What a naive article.  These type of negotiations are not meaningful until the very last minute. You learn that in negotiaons 101.  How "close" , isn't relevant. Of course they will settle and both sides know it.  However with writers that like to stir the pot w/o a shread of experience, it makes for good reading.  Relax everyone

Since: Feb 10, 2010
Posted on: March 3, 2011 9:34 am

Owners, Goodell break; what next?

Ugh...who can read this garbage.  I watch NFL games because I am a fan of the action.  Who cares about the CBA?  The owners, players, and all of the attorneys involved do not give a damn about the average NFL fan.  I hope at their next meeting there is a gas explosion and all of the cast of characters are erased.  Then the NFL can begin anew with some excitement.  Since the gas explosion is a pipe dream, let them all lock each other out and it will open up my Sundays in the fall.

Since: Aug 29, 2006
Posted on: March 3, 2011 9:13 am

Owners, Goodell break; what next?

It was a scheduled early break to visit a strip club. It is part of the CBA. Players want owners and commissioned staff to frequent the strip clubs as well twice a month. The NFL will be opening it chains of strip clubs. Players spend 86% of their income in these places so the NFL wants their money back.  Players on the DL will have to work here. We will have them introduced into the stadium as well, will be a nice halftime show. Cheerleaders will be asked more duties.

Since: Feb 1, 2010
Posted on: March 3, 2011 7:55 am

Owners, Goodell break; what next?

Uh huh, Boilerpigz, famous last words.

Since: Apr 7, 2009
Posted on: March 2, 2011 10:44 pm

Owners, Goodell break; what next?

well, if there´s not agreement, at least the nascar will still at sundays noon

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