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One man's opinion: Bengals won't budge on Palmer

Posted on: March 16, 2011 10:58 am
Edited on: March 16, 2011 11:00 am

A GM with a club that could use a quarterback told me Wednesday he believes the Cincinnati Bengals know Carson Palmer won't play for them again. But he also believes Palmer won't be dealt -- if he's dealt at all -- for nearly a year.

First of all, with a lockout there can be no player movement. So that takes care of trade talk for now. But when a new CBA is in place, the Bengals will be free to field offers, only there's a widespread belief that they won't be interested. Reason: If the Bengals grant Palmer his wish and trade him, owner Mike Brown sees it as a precedent for other disgruntled players to follow.

He's probably right. Only Carson Palmer isn't another disgruntled player. He's is the team leader, someone who didn't complain, conducted himself with class and did what he could to make the Bengals better. In the end, it wasn't enough, and Palmer gave up. Now, he is finished with the Bengals, and I've heard it from too many people not to believe it. So has our GM. 

And so have his coaches. The GM said the Bengals' Marvin Lewis knows Palmer won't play for him again, and he should. He talked to the guy. But there's that matter of what to do next, and this may be a test of Lewis' power and leverage -- both of which he may have gained by agreeing to a two-year extension when he was expected to leave.

Essentially, the question is this: Can he convince Brown to deal Palmer for draft picks, players or both to get something of value this season? Most people believe he cannot, and that was reiterated by our GM who said he's certain Cincinnati won't budge on Palmer because of what it would mean for others.

But he also said that if Palmer is true to his word and retires it might increase his value for 2012, with teams believing that if he has that much of a conviction, is that disciplined, is that true to himself, then he's exactly the sort of quarterback they'd like as a leader.  

"He can still play, and he can still play at a high level," the GM said.

What he can't ... or won't ... do is play in Cincinnati, and the Bengals know it. Now the question: What do they do about it?

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Since: May 14, 2007
Posted on: March 30, 2011 11:58 pm

One man's opinion: Bengals won't budge on Palmer

Carson is not the clean-cut all american boy, he's been very ugly and bigoted toward anything Ohio since arrival. For one I wish him well but agree that Mr. Brown should not fight his departure. Even a second rounder would help, we won't be worse off with draft alternatives... Just leave with dignity Carson!

Since: Dec 1, 2009
Posted on: March 24, 2011 6:14 pm

One man's opinion: Bengals won't budge on Palmer

Cincy Some day,
It is YOU who is missing the point. Winning isn't the only thing for Mike Brown. His own pathetic measure of power is. Paul Brown was an accomplished man with an iron will and strong convictions. Mike is a trust fund baby who confuses his own desperate willfulness for strength. He imagines that his control over the lives of other men maintains his "superiority" over them. Thus, this whole struggle is about his own place in the universe. He cannot let go, because his identity and frail ego are at stake.

Since: Sep 6, 2010
Posted on: March 22, 2011 11:40 am

One man's opinion: Bengals won't budge on Palmer

Really...A quitter you would want on your team,The going got a little tough for the golden boy and he ran away.
He would be the last guy I would want on my team.
IMO he has gotten soft and NEVER had a presence in the huddle.

Since: Jan 7, 2009
Posted on: March 17, 2011 6:50 pm

One man's opinion: Bengals won't budge on Palmer

Poor Mike Brown, he's the son of a NFL legend. And he's just the stupid kid. Palmer has put up with his ignorance long enough. Fine, don't trade him. Then your coach will have another reason that he's NOT incompetent! Mike Brown will not trade Palmer because it's the principle of the thing. At least Carson can retire, knowing he did everything he could for one of the worst franchises in all of sports.

Since: Jan 15, 2008
Posted on: March 17, 2011 4:42 pm

One man's opinion: Bengals won't budge on Palmer

Trade : Palmer for McNabb.

Since: May 9, 2007
Posted on: March 17, 2011 3:28 pm

One man's opinion: Bengals won't budge on Palmer

Sorry, man. Obviously English is not your language and that's fine, but I'd love to know what you were trying to say. You should get someone to write it out for you so we can understand this comment.

Since: Mar 17, 2011
Posted on: March 17, 2011 3:26 pm

One man's opinion: Bengals won't budge on Palmer

Can someone decipher what pooterqb  just posted?Laughing

Since: Sep 11, 2008
Posted on: March 17, 2011 12:19 pm

One man's opinion: Bengals won't budge on Palmer

When a Coach, Owner, VP, PLaer Personal, etc. All say "We will not a player you realize that mean: We are talking to other teams about trading that player and are working on FMV, (Fair Market Value. Palmer won't be behind center next year. 49ers, Cars, Vikes, Panthers, Dolphins, CLeveland, etc.
Just like when when he number one pick says "we won't touch this guy and ave no interest. That means "we will draft this guy!" you do the research. I'm tired of it.    

Since: Mar 17, 2011
Posted on: March 17, 2011 11:08 am

One man's opinion: Bengals won't budge on Palmer

Everyone seems to be missing the PRIMARY POINT here.  If Mike Brown believes in his heart of hearts that he is running his organization in such a way that WINNING is his ultimate objective, why would he be worried that other players might leave if a Palmer precedent is set?  
Do you think Mr Kraft or Mr Rooney worry about setting a precedent by caving to a disgruntled player's wishes?  Of course not, they'll replace that player with another athlete and keep on winning.
Mike knows that players don't want to play for him.  His only means of keeping them is by holding them captive.  The crazy thing is that a player's only hope of escape is to play their hearts out so that when free agency comes along there's a market for them and they become too expensive for the Bengals (JJo immediately comes to mind).  What a perverse means of getting players to perform.
If Mike Brown's true objective is to win, how can that man sit in his office and reflect on his organization's last 20 years and think to himself that his way of doing business will ultimately lead to success on the field. Year after year after year after year have proven that this is not the case.  Humble yourself Mr. Brown and accept the fact that you're doing it wrong.  Re-organize and rejuvinate your management team... That is of course if your true objective is winning.  
I don't know which side of the Carson debate I'm on.  I go back and forth.  But ultimately, Carson or no Carson, I feel an underlying grief in the fact that the captain of the ship does not truly care about winning.  Until that changes I think the QB on the field or the coach on the sidelines is the least of our worries.  Until that changes these guys will simply be roll players in a broken system.  The team may get lucky and win some games from season to season, but Cincinnati will never have a long-running legacy of winning football until the there is a cultural shift that starts at the top.

Since: Sep 20, 2009
Posted on: March 17, 2011 4:22 am

One man's opinion: Bengals won't budge on Palmer

He's is the team leader
I used to think I was too dumb to be a professional writer. I'm starting think I'm just dumb enough.

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