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NFL meetings ready for launch

Posted on: May 23, 2011 4:04 pm
Edited on: May 23, 2011 4:06 pm
NFL owners began arriving Monday afternoon in Indianapolis for the annual spring meetings, due to start Tuesday and conclude Wednesday. While some attention has been paid to competition committee issues that will be revisited -- with "launching" among them -- the compelling issue is the lockout and the litigation surrounding it.

There is a meeting at 5 p.m. Monday afternoon where the league's executive committee is expected to be updated on both. The NFL last week won a permanent stay of an earlier injunction lifting the lockout and is poised to appear -- along with representatives for its players -- at a June 3 hearing before the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals.

The same three-judge panel the league's request for a stay also hears its motion for appeal and -- based on the wording of last week's decision -- is expected to grant an appeal later in June.

"We're not going to get anything accomplished unless we get both sides back at the table," said San Diego owner Dean Spanos. "Unless, that happens we won't get a deal done."

That has been the NFL's mantra from the beginning, with league attorneys preaching that it's better to negotiate than litigate. Players might agree after last week's setback, but they have a couple of things still going for them: 1) The Eighth Circuit still must rule on an appeal, and while it is expected to favor the NFL it still must make a decision; and 2) players are expected to gain a significant award in damages from U.S. District Court Judge David Doty, who in March ruled in favor of the players in a TV broadcast decision.

If that happens, look for the NFL to appeal that decision to the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals, too.

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Since: Jul 9, 2009
Posted on: May 24, 2011 1:48 pm

NFL meetings ready for launch

But Bulls, that's just it--the owners don't want to continue the previous CBA; they consider it disadvantageous to them and want to change it.  The players don't want to change it--or at least don't want to change it in ways that the owners do--and as a result, voila! A labor dispute!

Since: Aug 24, 2010
Posted on: May 24, 2011 1:13 pm

NFL meetings ready for launch

I agree, finally agree on a deal, or use last year's CBA, and play football.

Since: Sep 17, 2007
Posted on: May 24, 2011 9:28 am

NFL meetings ready for launch

Blah Blah BLAH BLAH ....PLAY FOOTBALL>>>that is it nothing else.  PLAY FOOTBALL!  8 billion dollars!  I think everyone can have their cake and eat it too!

Since: Jul 9, 2009
Posted on: May 24, 2011 12:46 am

NFL meetings ready for launch

Snake (10:28)--Well,yeah.  But what's the practical difference? 
If you ask them, they'll say, "Well, as a mere association we can't collectively bargain."  Well, la-de-da.  Who is doing any bargaining that thre may be?  The lawyers?  Yeah, but who picked them?  1600 individual players?  I don't think so.  And whom do those lawyers actually represent, and who's giving them their bargaining orders, and their other orders?  1600 individual players?  I don't think so.  As I've said before, if it looks like a labor union, talks like a labor union, and behaves like a labor union, then it's probably a labor union. 

Since: Apr 27, 2008
Posted on: May 24, 2011 12:31 am

NFL meetings ready for launch

If the union does not exist then how are they party to a lawsuit?  The answer is that they cant be.  Even if the players had a legitimate lawsuit the NFLPA cannot be a part of it.  The players want to be able run the league and unless they pony up the money to buy teams that will never happen.  In the meantime they want to whine how bad they have it.  But the players contracts are largely guaranteed wheras the owners dont have any guarantees about how much profit they will make other than TV revenues.  Really you need to get some understanding of the bigger picture.
You cant route for the players if you want but I beleive their lawsuit is crap and will fail miserably.  If you want to see football this year you better hope I am right because if the players win you will not have football in September.  SO what the owners opted out of the agreement, that was a part of the agreement that both sides agreed to, that either side could opt out.  But you are completely devoid of the truth if you say the owners have not negotiated because they are the only side in this that has negotiated in good faith. I have not heard of one thing the players have put out as some sort of resolution to the impasse.  THey got nothing. 

Since: Sep 9, 2006
Posted on: May 24, 2011 12:31 am

NFL meetings ready for launch

and if yoy keep hearing what smith says, the deal that was first put on the table, said was the worst offer ever, yeah go read pete kings article, on this in mmqb, the owner's were offering to each team 161 million this coming year and increases every year after, again the reason no deal is done is becuase of demaurcie smith, who is a lawyer and again i hope that once a cba is agreed too, the nflpa says you know what smith your fired, otherwise we will be back in this smae situation in 6 years when a new cba is being negotiated, becuase smith is a lawyer, his job is to litigate

Since: Jul 9, 2009
Posted on: May 24, 2011 12:30 am

NFL meetings ready for launch

Well, of course the player's union hasn't been responding to the owners' proposals; how could the union respond without admitting it still exists?  What's the matter, don't you remember the ancient saying: "I respond, therefore I am."  And if they admit they exist, or even that they're acting like a union--which they really sort of are--then they'd be giving away the game.  'Cause then they'd have to admit, God forbid, that this is a labor dispute--and once they do that, they'd be admitting that the case belongs before the NLRB, not in the courts. 

Since: May 23, 2011
Posted on: May 23, 2011 10:31 pm

NFL meetings ready for launch

The owners make it for the players to make big salaries, but the players want more of the pie, WHY. The team fails to make money are players then going to give back. players lets go and start playing football--that is what you get paid for!!

Since: Mar 15, 2011
Posted on: May 23, 2011 10:28 pm

NFL meetings ready for launch

jarhead - My understanding is that technically a union does not exists.  Decertification of the NFLPA ended it role as the players' union.  But that didn't end its existence, the NFLPA simply became a trade association. 

Since: Sep 7, 2006
Posted on: May 23, 2011 9:51 pm

NFL meetings ready for launch

Absolutely wrong, jltexas...the union techinically does NOT exist.  They legally decertified and they are not negotiating on the players' behalf.  That is the definition of "technically". 

Once again, the owners come out with a bold-faced lie.  They keep saying both sides need to get to the table and that they want things negotiated, but they are the ones filing the appeals in the hope that (as the 8th Circuit did recently) a conservative appeals court will ignore case law.  Over the last 2 years since they opted out and planned to lock the players out, the owners have not negotiated at all, which is why we are at a standstill.
How is it a lie?  Remind me again who the plantiffs are in the lawsuits????   If you were a defendant, and you lost, would you not also appeal a ruling against you?  Don't be hypocritical just because you are jealous the owners have money.  The owners side has put forth the last THREE proposals for a CBA to which they have yet to recieve a SINGLE RESPONSE.  The reason the owners have kept saying the players side needs to negotiate, is because this whole time the players have been the ones pushing for the courtroom, not the owners.

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