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Source: Turner, A.J. could return to Bolts

Posted on: January 2, 2012 4:29 pm
Edited on: January 2, 2012 4:51 pm
 
There seems to be a lot of waffling on the future of San Diego coach Norv Turner, and, according to a source close to the organization, there's good reason. He believes that Turner and general manager A.J. Smith will be retained.

Of course, that's not set in concrete. Nothing is this time of year. But it's the first tangible sign that both will return next season.

Turner has two years left on his contract at $3 million per, and Smith has three years left at $2 million per season. According to the source, he believes that ownership is reluctant to fire each or both, then have to pay them.

But there's more to it than that. Quarterback Philip Rivers is a big fan of Turner and voiced his support Sunday for his embattled head coach. Team president Dean Spanos is reluctant to fire Turner, too, one reason he wants time to sit on the decision.

The public, of course, has made its displeasure with the Chargers known, but this year's team did not have the playmakers and talent people associate with the club. Injuries depleted the offensive line and wide receivers, tight end Antonio Gates played through a painful foot injury and the defense leaked too often.

Plus, there were too many turnovers, with Rivers committing a career-worst 20 interceptions.

Nevertheless, the Chargers won four of their last five starts to finish in a three-way tie for first in the AFC West -- with the club losing the tiebreaker to Denver. That the team fought down the stretch will count for something, but it's the second time in two seasons the Chargers missed the playoffs.

That will go into Spanos' thinking. But so will a business decision. That's one reason he begged off on making an immediate move, saying he needed a couple of days to think about it. 





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Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: January 3, 2012 10:41 pm
 

Source: Turner, A.J. could return to Bolts

Nice spin-job, notorious98. you learn that in Washington?
What spin job?  It's all fact that I pointed out.

As for my O-line comment? It was because of injuries, not because of AJ or Norv that they were porous. In fact, the Bolts had/have one of the better ones in the league, when the STARTERS are all playing at the same time. (and i know, every team gets it's share of injuries)
So why weren't the back-ups prepared?  Bill and Chris Polian just got fired because everybody found out their whole team is Peyton Manning and they have a Super Bowl ring.  AJ doesn't have jack, so why is he still around if a couple injuries destroy your team?  Where's the spin job in the fact that the Chargers, under Norv, have regressed?  4-1 to start the season, 4-7 to finish.  Or the fact that they play .500 ball before the bye week during his watch?

The fumble? I didn't say it defined MULTIPLE seasons.
Then explain away last season and how great Norv was.  Or '09 and the wasting home field throughout by the team being unprepared to play the Jets.  You brought up how Schottenheimer never won a playoff game, yet forget the only reason he lost to the Pats was because of Marlon McCree's boneheaded play.  On the other hand, you used a fumble as a way of excusing Norv Turner for a loss that the Chokers had this season.  Hypocrite much?

As for the Brees take, the play stands. You want to talk his LAST two seasons only? Nice twist on statistics.
The 80 TDs and 53 picks was from his entire career in San Diego.  The last two seasons were talking about his production after 3 years in the league.  The improvement he showed when he had a reliable target outside of Tomlinson (Gates.)  Who were his barn burning targets before then?  The linebacker David Boston?  Curtis Conway?  Please.  Rivers stepped into a situation with an established Pro Bowl receiving threat and an All-Pro in the backfield.  Have you noticed that, ever since Tomlinson started to hit the wall, the Chokers have had 1 good season?

I hate my team missing the playoffs in ANY year, let alone back to back, but if you're a 'Skins fan from the 90's, I can see why you're bitter, and I would think the whole WORLD sucks if that were my team.
I'm no Skins fan (I'm a Denver fan), but if I was, at least I'd be able to hang my hat on the fact that my team has at least won a Super Bowl.  That's more than can be said for the Chokers.

Now you keep defending Norv and AJ.  Talk about how great they are.  Hell, I'm more than happy that they're there.  I hope Norv Turner is your coach until the day I die.  That means one less team in the division to worry about.




Since: Oct 3, 2006
Posted on: January 3, 2012 6:29 pm
 

Source: Turner, A.J. could return to Bolts

Nice spin-job, notorious98. you learn that in Washington?

As for my O-line comment? It was because of injuries, not because of AJ or Norv that they were porous. In fact, the Bolts had/have one of the better ones in the league, when the STARTERS are all playing at the same time. (and i know, every team gets it's share of injuries)

The fumble? I didn't say it defined MULTIPLE seasons.

As for the Brees take, the play stands. You want to talk his LAST two seasons only? Nice twist on statistics. Sorry, dude, but ALL seasons count. Who are you? His agent? 30-28 is exactly what I meant. Maybe 30-28 is a stellar W/L record in Maryland, but not for me.

I hate my team missing the playoffs in ANY year, let alone back to back, but if you're a 'Skins fan from the 90's, I can see why you're bitter, and I would think the whole WORLD sucks if that were my team.



Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: January 3, 2012 3:42 pm
 

Source: Turner, A.J. could return to Bolts

His claim to fame is being the OC in Dallas where he had a HOF QB throwing to a HOF WR and TE and handing off to a HOF RB.
To be fair, Norv is a pretty good offensive mind.  He's the Wade Phillips of offense.  Great at coordinating, terrible at head coaching.



Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: January 3, 2012 3:31 pm
 

Source: Turner, A.J. could return to Bolts

Or a porous O-line that couldn't protect Rivers for longer than 2 1/2 seconds?
Soooooo, it's NOT AJ's fault that the O-line is terrible?  And it's NOT Norv's fault that the O-line's terrible?  If they're terrible, it's either because they were terrible to begin with (AJ's personnel mistake) or they aren't being coached well (Norv's horrendous coaching.)

How about that Rivers fumble on MNF against the Chiefs?
One play defined the last two seasons of a 17-15 team in a terrible division?

Not only that, but Brees wasn't very good in his days as a Bolt.
30-28 with 80 TDs to 53 picks.  His last two seasons?  51 TDs to 22 picks.  That's pretty good.

In the end? there's plenty of fodder for finger-pointing as to why the Charger's season was so disappointing, but it ain't all on Norv or A.J. as one would believe if just going by the simpleton Norv/AJ haters.
Nope.  It's not all their fault, but s**t rolls downhill, so it starts at the top.  Too many years of uninspired play and underachievement.  At what point in time is it time to make a change?  AJ made a change from Schottenheimer to Turner and Brees to Rivers.  Since then, the team has gotten worse, including back to back years of missing the playoffs.  So at what point does the blame start to rest with him if not now?  His decisions have come back to bite him in the ass.  Norv is a terrible coach.  He's missed the playoffs the last two years, starts out slow nearly every season, and the last time the Chokers WERE in the playoffs, they were not prepared to play against the Jets.  It's widely known that Norv is a terrible head coach.  If you'd like to find out, talk to a Redskins fan from the '90s.  Trust me, I lived in PG county Maryland, I know EXACTLY how much they think he sucks.  So, if you can't cut the team, maybe it's time to cut the guys making terrible decisions.  But since they won't, the rest of the AFC West will smirk as your team once again becomes the laughing stock of the division.



Since: Aug 19, 2006
Posted on: January 3, 2012 12:14 pm
 

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Wouldn't that be something...Bill Polian, who built 3 teams into Super Bowl contenders, gets fired, but AJ Smith, who seems to think he has built numerous Super Bowl contenders when, in fact, he hasn't built anything....keeps his job?  He does have one notable accomplishment....trading/releasing

two qbs that went on to win the Super Bowl (Eli Manning, Drew Brees).



Since: Aug 30, 2006
Posted on: January 3, 2012 12:03 pm
 

Source: Turner, A.J. could return to Bolts

The only way this could be possible is if Norvitis and AJ are having sex with the owner...unbelievable.



Since: Oct 2, 2011
Posted on: January 3, 2012 11:47 am
 

Source: Turner, A.J. could return to Bolts

Norv Turner is overrated and should have been fired years ago. His claim to fame is being the OC in Dallas where he had a HOF QB throwing to a HOF WR and TE and handing off to a HOF RB. Gee, Norv...you're brilliant ! C'mon, give me a break.



Since: Jan 20, 2010
Posted on: January 3, 2012 11:16 am
 

Source: Turner, A.J. could return to Bolts

The problem with lots of Chargers fans finding out just how good they have it is that you would have to completely destroy the team in order to show them how wrong they are.  The injury problems the past two years are quite evident.  It's ridiculous hearing people dismiss that as "an excuse", when the team has shown just how much better they can perform when the players are there.  When the coach you're talking about took a healthy team to a 13-3 record, it isn't an excuse.  It's a pretty damned obvious observation!



Since: Jan 14, 2008
Posted on: January 3, 2012 10:27 am
 

Source: Turner, A.J. could return to Bolts

Epcharger makes the best point - and I've been looking for someone to make it. Norv is an exceptional OC and offence has been brilliant since he came and Rivers wants him to stay. TBH I'd hate to see him leave so if he'd agree to work with a more defense oriented HC - wouldn't that be the business. Charger fans - I know how galling it is to be so close to the very top and not getting there but it's so easy to suddenly nosedive after a major personnel change ( see Indy Colts ) - don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Turner = baby : Smith = bathwater :)



Since: Jan 14, 2008
Posted on: January 3, 2012 10:27 am
 

Source: Turner, A.J. could return to Bolts

Epcharger makes the best point - and I've been looking for someone to make it. Norv is an exceptional OC and offence has been brilliant since he came and Rivers wants him to stay. TBH I'd hate to see him leave so if he'd agree to work with a more defense oriented HC - wouldn't that be the business. Charger fans - I know how galling it is to be so close to the very top and not getting there but it's so easy to suddenly nosedive after a major personnel change ( see Indy Colts ) - don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Turner = baby : Smith = bathwater :)


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