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Source: Turner, A.J. could return to Bolts

Posted on: January 2, 2012 4:29 pm
Edited on: January 2, 2012 4:51 pm
There seems to be a lot of waffling on the future of San Diego coach Norv Turner, and, according to a source close to the organization, there's good reason. He believes that Turner and general manager A.J. Smith will be retained.

Of course, that's not set in concrete. Nothing is this time of year. But it's the first tangible sign that both will return next season.

Turner has two years left on his contract at $3 million per, and Smith has three years left at $2 million per season. According to the source, he believes that ownership is reluctant to fire each or both, then have to pay them.

But there's more to it than that. Quarterback Philip Rivers is a big fan of Turner and voiced his support Sunday for his embattled head coach. Team president Dean Spanos is reluctant to fire Turner, too, one reason he wants time to sit on the decision.

The public, of course, has made its displeasure with the Chargers known, but this year's team did not have the playmakers and talent people associate with the club. Injuries depleted the offensive line and wide receivers, tight end Antonio Gates played through a painful foot injury and the defense leaked too often.

Plus, there were too many turnovers, with Rivers committing a career-worst 20 interceptions.

Nevertheless, the Chargers won four of their last five starts to finish in a three-way tie for first in the AFC West -- with the club losing the tiebreaker to Denver. That the team fought down the stretch will count for something, but it's the second time in two seasons the Chargers missed the playoffs.

That will go into Spanos' thinking. But so will a business decision. That's one reason he begged off on making an immediate move, saying he needed a couple of days to think about it. 

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Since: Jun 4, 2011
Posted on: January 2, 2012 7:33 pm

Source: Turner, A.J. could return to Bolts

TallWhite Ninja, not sure that AJ Smith and Norv Turner will have much to do with the San Diego Chargers becoming the LA Chargers?  Unless Spanos is secretly plotting with Smith and Turner to field a team that performs below its talent level, thus turning fans off creating the impression that the team is not appreciated by the city making it difficult for municipal, county and/or state governments to generate support to participate in or partner with anyone on funding a new stadium and creating a strong business reason for the team to move north.

If not, any move to LA will be strictly business.  Either there is a new stadium in San Diego, or the team will move.  From Canada, but as a fan of both the city and the team, I hope there is a new stadium in San Diego so the Chargers remain and are able to win a Super Bowl in front of the home fans.  

Since: Oct 25, 2007
Posted on: January 2, 2012 7:28 pm

Source: Turner, A.J. could return to Bolts

AJ, his two major mistakes have been letting Sproles go, and Retaining the services of Norv too long!

What?!? So you give him a complete pass on letting Brees go? This league has become all about the premier QB, if you have a Rogers, Brees, or Brady you can compete for the top spot, if not, you can't.  The Saints are relevant only because of Brees.  It's not like they have a dominant defense or dominant running game.  AJ Smith let Brees walk, and we've not been a serious threat since.

And then there is that whole firing a 14-2 head coach ... and why, not because we "needed to move to the next level" but because of AJ's ego ... he wanted a headcoach he could push around, thus the whole Norv Turner era.

I can't believe how fellow Charger's fans are willing to accept this mediocrity and know hold those such as AJ Smith responsible.  Can you imagine where we would be if we had kept Brees and Marty? Shaking my head .....

Since: Aug 1, 2009
Posted on: January 2, 2012 7:18 pm

Source: Turner, A.J. could return to Bolts

AJ needs to go, no excuse

Since: Dec 22, 2011
Posted on: January 2, 2012 7:18 pm

Source: Turner, A.J. could return to Bolts

All Turner returning means to the Chargers is another Slow start, another under achieving team...Turner falls into a category great coordinator but not HC material...Turner and AJ should joing the Polians, Spagnuolo's, Del Rio's, Haley's, Morris's, and Sporano's et al on the unemployment line...I'd also say to get rid of Reid in philly talk about another team that needs a change of identity and culture.  Colts, Bears and Bills staffs should all be watching their jobs as well they deserve to go as well...but that is for another time.  I just wonder if as fans we're now to the point that if a regime doesn't win in 2-3 years they're done and how reasonable expectation is this?  A few teams have done it yes but have they just gotten lucky, or was it the change they needed I don't know I can't say....

Since: Dec 2, 2008
Posted on: January 2, 2012 7:17 pm

Source: Turner, A.J. could return to Bolts

I guess my Bengals aren't the only team with an incompetent owner and front office.

Since: Dec 22, 2011
Posted on: January 2, 2012 7:14 pm

Source: Turner, A.J. could return to Bolts

Actually he didn't "Draft" Phillip Rivers.  See what happened was this.  That was the Same draft as Eli Manning so SD had the first pick under Marty Schottenheimer but Eli came out in the press when he entered the draft and said he wouldn't play for Marty or the Chargers so the Chargers Drafted Eli Manning then Traded him to NYG and the Giants "Drafted" Phillip Rivers and traded him to SD for think about this guys...what would it be like to have Eli Manning in a Chargers Uniform...I will say probably a SB victory that the Giants got would probably belong to the Chargers and how nice would it have been to have Eli Manning in a Chargers knock on Rivers just saying...but no reason to have a malcontent JD Drew type a kid on your team so you had to draft Eli and trade him it was a no brainer...but just wanted to clear up any he drafted Phillip Rivers Idea...when technically the Giants did and they Drafted Eli Manning. 

Since: Mar 26, 2011
Posted on: January 2, 2012 7:12 pm

Source: Turner, A.J. could return to Bolts

Sad that in a league as profitable as the NFL that ownership is making decisions to save $$$ and not to win. Pretty obvious the Bolts are going nowhere under Turner.

Since: Jun 4, 2011
Posted on: January 2, 2012 7:11 pm

Source: Turner, A.J. could return to Bolts

While another disappointing season, have to agree it cannot all be laid at Turner's feet.  Rivers should be capable of taking a snap and kneeling down or even falling forward to lineup a field goal.  Chargers beat Chiefs and would have been 9-7, and 4th seed in AFC. 

You can criticize play calling in games against NYJ and Denver.  Jets game in particular was winnable at 21-10.  Add those two and Bolts are 11-5 (although if they had clinched division at 10-5, may have rested guys against Oakland in final week).

Losses to defending champs, Green Bay, and three tough road games @ NE, @ Det and @ Chi (6-3 at time, on a roll and looking like a playoff team Pre-Cutler and Forte injuries) are hardly embarrassments.  

That being said, if public is fed up with the current regime, Spanos should factor into any business decision ($12M in salary to be paid out, presumably mitigated if they land other jobs during period they are being paid for) the costs of losing revenues from fans -- seasons tickets, fewer concessions, fewer merchandise sales (although licensing is through NFL as I understand, but they must take a percentage).  Personally, I am not a fan of coaching roller coaster.  Most successful franchises enjoyed long tenured coaches (see Pittsburgh:  Noll, Cowher, New England:  Belichek, Philadelphia:  Reid)  There will be bumps in the road but knee jerk reactions on coaching changes more often than not fail to produce results.  Five years is not necessarily a knee jerk reaction but if players are supporting him, at least you don't have a Tampa or Jacksonville situation where players obvious quit on the coach. 

Since: Sep 14, 2008
Posted on: January 2, 2012 7:09 pm

Source: Turner, A.J. could return to Bolts

HTR17 I'm with you.  One or both have got to go or I’m gone.  I’d prefer AJ since the next GM will no-doubt realize that Norv isn’t a Head Coach.  He can’t lead or discipline anybody.  Norv never should have been hired as a HC and that’s one of the big reasons AJ should be let go.     

And Boltbacker83, where are your numbers?  Please don’t give me Rivers as one of his top picks.  AJ had the #1 pick in the draft and could have gone with Eli, Roethlisburger or stuck with Brees.  But... of course he couldn’t go with Eli because Eli knows better than to sign with an organization run by AJ.  The further AJ has gotten from Butler’s influence the worse his drafts have gotten.  He’s an average drafter at best but just a terrible personnel man.  Take a look at his recent drafts... Where is English?  Buster?  His guys lately are injury prone reaches.  

Rivers likes Norv because Rivers is still a kid.  He doesn’t realize that part of his problems are that he’s hardly been coached.  He’s an emotional kid looking for a coach who worships him and treats him like a rock star.  He’s got the talent to be great by nowhere close to any of the great QBs emotionally.  

Since: Sep 24, 2008
Posted on: January 2, 2012 6:39 pm

Source: Turner, A.J. could return to Bolts

I am an 18 year season tic holder.  If AJ and Norv are back I am done and will not renew.  I am 100% commited to giving up on this organization if they do not show these 2 the exit.  The message that will be sent to me if they keep Aj and Norv is that it is ok to lose 6 games in a row during a season and it is ok  to miss the playoffs back to back years.  Really this would be a total joke and an insult to Charger fans. 
Norv has no idea how to manage a game.  The Bolts have become so soft under him.  Total underachievers.
A new philosophy and direction are drastically needed.  Get me a smash mouth, no nonsense, this is not a country club type coach.
Do this or say good bye to an 18 year season tic holder.

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