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Now, when will Saints, Williams be penalized?

Posted on: March 6, 2012 6:16 pm
OK, now that New Orleans coach Sean Payton and GM Mickey Loomis have taken "full responsibility" for Bounty Gate, it's time for the NFL to swing the hammer and penalize them, former defensive coordinator Gregg Williams and the Saints organization.

I know that commissioner Roger Goodell wants to get this right because, essentially, what the Saints and Williams, Payton and Loomis fostered was a program that flies in the face of the player-safety push that Goodell has made a mantra of his last three years.

But it's more than that, of course. It's outright disrespect for Goodell, his office, the league's constitution and by-laws and, frankly, common sense. So look for Goodell to drop the hammer on everyone.

The only question is: When?

Sources tell me it could be anywhere before or after the league's March 25-28 owners' meetings in Florida, but they also tell me it absoultely, positively will not happen there. Nor should it.

I would expect Goodell to weigh in on this sooner rather than later to put the ugly episode behind everyone. People tell me he's deliberating to give all parties a chance to say something, to evaluate all information and to make sure he's covered all bases before he makes a decision.

But we have Williams admitting his guilt, and now we have Payton and Loomis admitting their guilt. I don't know what more we need. I don't care how widespread this was. I just want it stopped from this point forward.

And so does Goodell.

That's why most persons expect a harsh penalty that sends a message to others that this cannot and will not be tolerated. Goodell will weigh his options, but none of them are good for the Saints or Williams. Nor should they be.

Category: NFL

Since: Feb 10, 2012
Posted on: March 7, 2012 9:39 am

Now, when will Saints, Williams be penalized?

FYI~ The Official NFL Rule Book

Game Rule~ Player Safety

(a) Game-Related Player Safety Rules

Game-related safety presents special challenges to the League, because it requires dealing with the playing rules in a manner that not only offers optimum player protection and prohibits gratuitous violence, but also maintains the intense action and physical contact which are part of football's broad appeal. It also requires recognition that NFL players are uniquely talented, trained, and conditioned, with year-round preparation now the norm. Player safety is a top priority for the League in ensuring that the game is played as fairly as possible without significant unnecessary risk to its participants. It should also be a top priority for all NFL players. Remember, many of the player safety rules are designed to protect not only the player who gets hit, but also the player who does the hitting.

 Illegal acts that jeopardize the safety of players will not be tolerated. The League will continue to stress enforcement of the personal foul rules, with special emphasis on the unnecessary roughness and roughing the passer rules that prohibit hits on players in defenseless positions, including passers in the act of passing, receivers in the process of attempting to catch a pass, a runner whose forward progress has been stopped and is already in the grasp of a tackler, a kickoff or punt returner attempting to field a kick, and a player on the ground at the end of a play. You should pay special attention to the rule concerning low hits on the quarterback where the defensive player had an opportunity to avoid forcible contact. These hits are illegal and will result in both onfield penalties and discipline by the league. Officials will continue to be instructed that, if there is any doubt as to the potential for a foul, they should lean toward player safety and call the foul.


To help NFL players understand their responsibility regarding player safety, this section contains clarifications and illustrations highlighting several of the League's unnecessary roughness and roughing the passer rules that are in effect.This is not a complete list of the rules. You are strongly advised to familiarize yourself with the more detailed and comprehensive descriptions contained in the NFL Rule Book and in particular the acts constituting unnecessary roughness and roughing the passer, detailed in Rule 12, Section 2, Articles 8 and 13.

Rule 12, Section 2 also contains other important player safety rules that are not specifically illustrated or clarified in this section. Included in Rule 12, Section 2 of the NFL Rule Book, and also of vital player safety importance, are the illegal chop block rules (Rule 12, Section 2, Article 16). In addition, it is not legal to clip in close line play, unless the block from behind is above the knees. Also if a blocker in close line play rolls up from behind on the back of a defender's legs, it is a foul for unnecessary roughness (Rule 12, Section 2, Article 9). For this reason, it is vitally important that you become familiar with all the Player Conduct rules found in Rule 12 of the NFL Rule Book.

The League recognizes that safety cannot be promoted exclusively through interpretation of existing rules or adoption of new legislation, and that the participants on the field must assume responsibility for making it work. Accordingly, to give further force and effect to player safety rules, the League will impose fines and/or other discipline for rule violations.

Discipline may be imposed for a first offense and without any prior warning. A player who is a repeat offender should expect more severe discipline, and fines for third offenses and beyond in the same season or based on prior seasons' violations will be established by the Commissioner or his designee on a case-by-case basis, and may increase substantially. In addition, suspension without pay may be imposed when deemed appropriate.

Discipline is not based solely on situations where game officials call fouls. In some cases a violation may be detected in postgame review of video. If a postgame review establishes an egregious violation, particularly involving safety-related issues such as hits on the quarterback, the offender may be subject to suspension.

Hope this clarifies the issue for most here. As another poster rightly said, we can all agree on the idea that sanctions should be imposed. It's a matter of what and how much. 

Since: Feb 10, 2012
Posted on: March 7, 2012 9:15 am

Now, when will Saints, Williams be penalized?

This is what a well reasoned post and makes coming herfe enjoyable. However, the one overriding issue here is that player safety has been Goodells mantra from Day 1. As you noted, they were warned and fined which should serve as a warning to everyone else. The fact that it was organized and repeated makes what they did even more aggregious exponentially.

What makes it reprehensible is to disregard league warnings, perhaps repeated warnings, to stop doing it. That's why this issue really isn't about the New Orleans and Williams "cheating," by virtue of the bounties they placed, but rather about them being arrogant/disrespectful toward the league.

Worse, this is not the first reported incident with Williams. If the Commissioner doesn't at least ban Williams alone for life, AND imposing heavy fines against the Saints, Head Coaches and the GM + loss of draft picks and play-off eleigibility for one season than he is not doing his job IMHO. Other financial penalties won't need to be imposed as this offers the right amount of hardship without upsetting competitive balance which I believe should be the ultimate goal.

Since: Aug 30, 2006
Posted on: March 7, 2012 9:15 am

Now, when will Saints, Williams be penalized?

*Satlin=Stalin, typo

Since: Aug 30, 2006
Posted on: March 7, 2012 9:13 am

Now, when will Saints, Williams be penalized?

 am corrected, but you too are not correct.  Fine was levied to Bobby McCrae after the fact, though the hits were not penelized, it was later found to be a violation of the "Tom Brady" leg rule.  Only one penelty was called in the game however.  and while you may be right, my point is that the punishment will be unjustly unfair, so that Roger Satlin can make his point, and it shouldn't be any worse than what Belicheck and New england got, or than what other teams will get (washington, Buffalo, etc.)  Though I think it will be

Since: Feb 10, 2012
Posted on: March 7, 2012 8:57 am

Now, when will Saints, Williams be penalized?

LOL....SPEAKING OF DRAMA QUEENS......Here's another Neanderthalian >>>>>>>. Sounds like you have some major issues with self~identifying yourself as a closeted male loving freak. I highly recommend therapy for you @ Marcus Bachmanns Cure for  the Closeted. They have pink bows they can tattoo on your forehead. That way , the rest of us can avoid you.

This is a little more than a speeding ticket, kid. It violates the Mandate that goodell has had since he began as Commissioner.But, maybe you should start by reading the CBA the players have regarding retired players and what's required financially to sustain them from the standpoint of their health. If these coaches aren't advocating player safety, which YOU clearly are not, then they weren't paying attention very closely.

This is no different than Bellichick DIRECTLY violating videotaping policy in the NFL . If you doubt this. Look at the NFL Game Operations 105. The only comparison to be drawn here is that Williams is a cheater like Bellichick except he tries to do it at the expense of placing the other team at a competitive disadvantage by intentionally trying to injure the opposition. There is no denying this. The've already admitted they were wrong. And apologies just don't cut it without SEVERE sanctions. Severe sanctions GUARANTEE it won't happen again.

So save your insults little boy.

Since: Sep 17, 2006
Posted on: March 7, 2012 8:38 am

Now, when will Saints, Williams be penalized?

While again, I dont agree with it and its unethical, it was all played within the rules of the game, penilties and fines were not rendered

You need to check your facts. At least 2 penalties and 3 fines were levied for hits on Favre in the Championship game. I agree there will be and should be no "banning." However, I'd be prepared to watch your team sit on the sidelines for all of this draft and possibly some of the next. Fines will be huge. Payton and half the starting D will sit a significant chunk of the season (probably at least 4 games). The fact that they were warned twice will only increase this punishment.

Since: Sep 17, 2006
Posted on: March 7, 2012 8:33 am

Now, when will Saints, Williams be penalized?

Talk about the Pussifcation of our Nation? This Guy...
Bet your kids hate you. If you don't have any, yet - please don't in the future. Spare the world and them the humiliation of another never-was dad pushing their kids so he can vicariously live the life he never had the talent or courage to pursue.

Got you nailed from one barely coherent and poorly written post, huh?

Since: Aug 30, 2006
Posted on: March 7, 2012 8:22 am

Now, when will Saints, Williams be penalized?

OK, I am a Saints fan, but the only bias I have by being such is that I am commenting here, if it wasn't my team, I wouldn't be commenting.  That said, my opinion remains the same.  These actions, are completely unethical, I think we can all agree there. And on that, I dont condone them.  But the responses of death penelty and ban them from playoffs, etc. Some of you are calling for NCAA style sanctions, which just dont apply.  And if they did, are completely over the top.
 First, as it has been documented, none of these "bounty hits" were in anyway against the rules of the game. I challenge you to definitivly find a "bounty hit"   I keep seeing film of the 2009 NFC championship where Farve got lit up.  Minnesota's O line couldn't handle the blitz scheme and I believe only one roughing call was made, and no illegal hits. In the superbowl that same year, they emplyeed the same defense against Indy and Peyton, yet you dont see that footage.  And the Bobby Mcrae hit on Warner, it was a hard block on a QB who was attemping to tackle a DB after an interception. 
Second, several other teams, such as the Eagles, Redskins and Bills have all been namedas teams who also employed this.  Will they receive equal punishment for the crime?  Buddy Ryan made a career of doing this. And how can the penelty here be any stiffer than the spygate penelties received by the Patriots for point blank cheating. 
The biggest issue here should be Goodell's ego.  Because he wants his legecy to be as "the player safety comish", he may come down harder than he did on the Pats.  Just another example of the out of check, random  power of the comish. Look at how he handled Terrel Pryor vs. Pete Carroll.  Btoh left the NCAA to avoid punishment, but only one got punishment for college infractions?
While again, I dont agree with it and its unethical, it was all played within the rules of the game, penilties and fines were not rendered and you could almost equate it to an employer giving a bonus for going out of your way to do your job a little harder.  I do agree that punishments should come down, but lets keep them in check

Since: Feb 10, 2012
Posted on: March 7, 2012 8:04 am

Now, when will Saints, Williams be penalized?

LOL....Now here's a ,I presume male, who probably has never played a contact sport any more phsical than tiddlywinks. You're fairly typical of Screen Berets, Who Dat. A battleship mouth , backed up by a rowboat a$$ and the mind of a Neanderthal. I bet the ladies run the other way when they see your knuckle dragging arms and toothless grin coming their way.

You'd make perfect shark bait.  

Since: Nov 2, 2007
Posted on: March 7, 2012 7:50 am

Now, when will Saints, Williams be penalized?

Just remember that the Patriots admitted guilt in one of histories biggest cheating scandals ever and just got fined. If a suspension to anyone is levied it will be another cheat by the NFL this time. Fine those involved, or take away draft picks but do not suspend!

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