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Memphis vs. Utah State: Perception Matters

Posted on: March 15, 2009 2:11 pm

Both Utah State & Memphis won their conference tournaments so both are in the NCAA Tournament field. The point in posting this is not to down Memphis or to raise up Utah State, but it is to create conversation. Let's break it down:

Record: 30-3
Projected Seed: 2
Longest Winning Streak: 25
Wins vs. Tournament Teams in that Span: 2
Wins over Tournament Teams Overall: Gonzaga, Tennessee, Chattanooga

Utah State:
Record: 29-4
Projected Seed: 10
Longest Winning Streak: 19
Wins vs. Tournament Teams in that Span: 1
Wins over Tournament Teams Overall: Utah

Now once again I am not arguing that Memphis' resume isn't better because it is. My point is both play in weaker conferences where neither were really challenged all year long. Why do we reward Memphis, a team with three wins over NCAA Tournament bound teams, and not reward Utah State with a higher seed? Perception matters folks.

My FINAL bracketology is coming soon!

Category: NCAAB

Since: Oct 16, 2007
Posted on: March 18, 2009 6:01 pm

Memphis vs. Utah State: Perception Matters

Because memphis is 10 times better than Utah state???? I think that might factor in.  

Since: Mar 1, 2009
Posted on: March 17, 2009 1:51 pm

Memphis vs. Utah State: Perception Matters

I apologize I meant if Cal coached at Kentucky, but you get the point.  Also one more thing, Memphis fans always complain about how they weren't invited when the Big East raided C-USA, well they took Louisville, Depaul, and Cincinnati.  Why wouldn't they take Memphis?  Probably because Memphis wasn't that great until all those teams left.  That is when they got on this streak of humiliating other C-USA teams.  They also say the C-USA was good back then and the Big East took those teams to regain their football prestige.  You replace Miami and Virginia Tech with Louisville and Cincinnati?  Depaul doesn't even have a division one football program.  I don't believe that statement.  I think Memphis wanted to stay in the C-USA.  I think they knew after those teams left they would begin C-USA domination.  Maybe Memphis denied the invite??


Since: Mar 1, 2009
Posted on: March 17, 2009 1:44 pm

Memphis vs. Utah State: Perception Matters

Memphis rarely gets a seed lower than a three.  It is inevitable for a one - three seed to win at least two games putting them in the sweet sixteen.  I have been wondering this for awhile.  Why should Memphis be rewarded for playing in a weak conference when other teams that play in a weak conference aren't?  I think that the fact Memphis recruits more talented players creates the illusion they are deserving of a high seed in the tournament.  Truth be told if Calipari coached at Tennessee and created the same success he's had at Memphis, he would already be looking for a new job.  Tubby was the second fastest to 100 wins in Kentucky history, but they sent him packing because he only went to one final four in ten years.  In that span he went to 3 Elite Eights.  Those numbers are comparable to what Cal has accomplished at Memphis, I'm just saying a little overrated I think.  


Since: Mar 1, 2008
Posted on: March 15, 2009 3:17 pm

Memphis vs. Utah State: Perception Matters

I would also take into consideration that on several occasions, Utah has made it farther in the tourney then Gonzaga ever has! Don't get me wrong, I like Gonzaga's program, but I would have to say that Utah is just as legit a program as Gonzaga has been over the years. Especially where Utah beat Gonzaga this season!

Utah State is a good team that is trapped in a bad basketball conference. Great thread. And you are right, this shouldn't be a knock against Memphis who is a great team, but more of a why for the Aggies? The fact that both of these teams are pretty darn comparable does make one wonder why one gets such a higher seed then the other? I would say that one gets a higher seed then the other because one has a better tendency of winning tournament games then the other. Honestly, I really can't recall the last time the Aggies won a first round game in the tourney while Memphis routinely gets to the Sweet 16 or beyond.

Hopefully Utah State gets a little bit more respect this year and they get a decent seed and then follow that up with a good win! Regardless of where they are seeded, if they can't win and advance, then the conversation is mute. Because if they can't win, it proves that their seed isn't a slight by the committee, it proves that they were right where they should be . . . out and on a plane home!

Good luck to both teams, may they both go far in the NCAA's!!

Since: Jan 17, 2009
Posted on: March 15, 2009 2:31 pm

Memphis vs. Utah State: Perception Matters

Utah St almost always makes the dance, they usually end up as a 10-15 seed, put up a fight and then they're out.  Memphis usually makes the dance as a 1-5 seed and usually wins a few games and then they're out too.  Having grown up in Logan, Ut where the Aggies hail from, they come close every year to putting a top seed out, but then they're done.  I remember them losing to #2 seed Kansas one year by 2 points as the 15 seed.  If they were given a reasonable seed like a 7-10 range they might win a couple.  Small market teams from small market conferences get worse seeds than the big name teams from big name cities.  Its like the BCS... history does matter when it comes time for selection sunday.  It's no different than the BCS putting a choke hold on the National Championship Game by restricting it to their favorites. 

Memphis this year has better talent then USU that's it, I wouldn't want USU to get the credit Memphis has this season.  The USU's of the world have to fight their way into the national picture just like Gonzaga did just give them a better chance to do it is all.  A 7-11 seed is much more reasonable than the 13-15 they usually get.  Gonzaga had to make the sweet 16 2 or 3 years in a row as a cinderella before people actually started taking notice of them. If USU wants to make some noise they have to win some games in the big dance.


Since: May 31, 2007
Posted on: March 15, 2009 2:18 pm
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