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BUT-XAV controversy is no controversy at all

Posted on: December 19, 2009 4:50 pm
Edited on: December 20, 2009 11:39 am
 
Most of you probably saw the end of the Butler-Xavier game. To clear up what happened in as few words as possible:
  • Down one, Butler had possession when the ball got knocked into the backcourt.
  • Once there, the clock stopped with 14.7 seconds left during mid-play in anticipation of a backcourt violation, but there was no violation because Xavier touched the ball last.
  • The clock restarts in the middle of the play, with no pause in the action, as Butler runs it down.
  • Butler loses the ball.
  • The Bulldogs Gordon Hayward picks up the ball and hits the game winning layup with 1,2 seconds left.
  • Due to the clock stoppage (which by my count measured 1.34 seconds left) the referees declared the game over.
Butler wins 69-68.

And just to avoid controversy, Hayward's shot was released with 1.8 seconds remaining and took around .6 to get through the net.

I agree with the call. I felt that with the 1.34 off the clock the game would've been over as soon as Hayward's shot went through. If Hayward had hesitated at all, his shot would've also been in question.

Here's all my thoughts on the game: http://www.onlinesportsfanatic.com/
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Category: NCAAB
Tags: Butler, Xavier
 
Comments

Since: Mar 7, 2008
Posted on: December 20, 2009 11:56 am
 

BUT-XAV controversy is no controversy at all

I agree the right call was made, but if you're a college basketball clcok keeper, you need to know not to anticipate things. I hate for such a good game to have a bad taste in the mouth. I understand why the fans are mad, but it was the right call. Great game though



Since: Mar 4, 2008
Posted on: December 20, 2009 1:38 am
 

BUT-XAV controversy is no controversy at all

I agree it was the right call in that situation, but the application of correcting the timing was inconsistent.

Xavier made a basket to go up by 3 with about 47.5 seconds (give or take a few tenths of a second), clock should have immediately stopped after the ball went through the net but instead didn't stop until 46.2 seconds remained on the clock. So if they took off 1.3 seconds for the accidental clock stoppage at 14.7 seconds, they should have put back on the 1.3 seconds for the extra time that ran off the clock after the made Xavier basket.

Minus 1.3 for the incorrect stoppage and adding back the 1.3 seconds for the incorrect running of the clock would have put us back at the original 1.2 seconds were left after the Hayward basket. If Xavier fans want to gripe about anything they shouldn't grip about the call, but rather the inconsistent use of replay to correct clock errors in the final minute.

Still though you are right, both teams had chances to win this game before this final play.

Great analysis of the final sequence though, very clearly explained, and that is what I saw as well in the final 14.7 seconds.





Since: Aug 17, 2007
Posted on: December 19, 2009 8:02 pm
 

BUT-XAV controversy is no controversy at all

Dan

Not to nit pick pick but Butler won 69 - 68.   BTW excellent summary of the last seconds of the game.



Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: December 19, 2009 5:57 pm
 

BUT-XAV controversy is no controversy at all

It won't be if both take care of business the rest of the way. If either team finds itself on the bubble in March, it can look back at other lost opportunities as the reason why. That's the case for all bubble teams. There's always a lot of missed chances that gets you that in position.Agreed.



Since: Jan 3, 2008
Posted on: December 19, 2009 5:46 pm
 

BUT-XAV controversy is no controversy at all

it's over, i dont think this game should be held against either team on Selection Sunday.
It won't be if both take care of business the rest of the way. If either team finds itself on the bubble in March, it can look back at other lost opportunities as the reason why. That's the case for all bubble teams. There's always a lot of missed chances that gets you that in position.



Since: Jan 3, 2008
Posted on: December 19, 2009 5:44 pm
 

BUT-XAV controversy is no controversy at all

I'm guessing the guy who grabbed the rebound had some idea of the time on the clock.  He grabs it a second later and he might force up a fade away jumper thinking he doesn't have time to pass it inside.
The players were both lying on the court when the ball fell to him. Hayward had fallen down and gotten back up. Honestly I don't think anyone on either side knew how much time was left, just that it was low. I think no matter what Hayward takes the layup there.
I'm not trying to make a huge deal about it, but I think there was a chance for a different outcome if they weren't playing with an extra second.
I agree, but I think the refs got it right. They followed the rules and called it the way the rulebook says to. As a referee there's nothing else you can do in that situation.



Since: Oct 12, 2008
Posted on: December 19, 2009 5:41 pm
 

BUT-XAV controversy is no controversy at all

Yea, I'd agree Hayward had no idea.  I wasn't watching the game live and I only saw the replay a few times but I'm pretty sure someone else grabbed the offensive rebound, dribbled, and dropped it off to him.  I'm guessing the guy who grabbed the rebound had some idea of the time on the clock.  He grabs it a second later and he might force up a fade away jumper thinking he doesn't have time to pass it inside. 

I'm not trying to make a huge deal about it, but I think there was a chance for a different outcome if they weren't playing with an extra second.



Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: December 19, 2009 5:39 pm
 

BUT-XAV controversy is no controversy at all

Wow, was getting worried for Butler there, great play by Howard.
Ref's call was, i still honestly don't know i feel, if it were Indiana i would probably be calling to sue that ref, lol jk, but yeah i can see why Xavier fans would be angry!

But Butler won 69-68
it's over, i dont think this game should be held against either team on Selection Sunday.




Since: Jan 3, 2008
Posted on: December 19, 2009 5:34 pm
 

BUT-XAV controversy is no controversy at all

It's still a tough way to lose, I can see why most of their fans are angry.  A second makes a big difference when you're that low in the game clock.  Who knows, a second more off the clock and that pass to Hayward might have been a forced jump shot.

I see why their angry too. I just think the right call was made.

And honestly I don't think Hayward had any idea how much time was left when he laid it up.




Since: Oct 12, 2008
Posted on: December 19, 2009 5:32 pm
 

BUT-XAV controversy is no controversy at all

It's still a tough way to lose, I can see why most of their fans are angry.  A second makes a big difference when you're that low in the game clock.  Who knows, a second more off the clock and that pass to Hayward might have been a forced jump shot.


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