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The Urban Class War

Posted on: November 6, 2008 5:34 pm
 

The pundits and talking babblers have talked adnauseum about class warfare in the days leading up to and after the election.  Obama did all he could to ignite a class war with his tax the rich and give to the poor policies.  In the end it became the rallying cry for so many and the final decision point for others.  But I am not sure there is a class war at least as these learned journalists and politicians have stated.

I did a lot of studying of the electoral map in the last day or so.  It is obvious there is a "class" war in these Sort of United States when you look at the picture but it is not about low - middle -high income brackets at all.  It is about urban and rural.  By looking at the color map by county on CNN.com one could define where every large urban population AND university town exists throughout the country simply by looking at who voted democrat majority (colored blue on the map) and who did not (repubs). 

In straight up land mass, our country is a bright red republican majority. But where it is population dense it is pure democrat.  How would you like to be a farmer living in rural Illinois getting dominated by the Chicago democrat machine, or Indiana (Gary and Indy), Ohio (Cleveland, Columbus, Athens and Cincy).  You can look at any state and you will easily see where the cities are.  Texas is totally red except for the cities.

So why the difference?  I would suspect it has something to do with birds of a feather flocking together.  But it is deeper than saying poor people or minorities are attracked to cities.  I am sure there are poor folks that live in Nebraska and Texas who vote republican.  What is it that fundamentally divides us along these urban and rural lines?  Welfare is offered in every state and every county.  West Virginia is proof of that and they voted republican - no large cities either, though. ( I lived there for a while so that is not a dig, just an observation.) 

So the issue is what is the fundamental difference between living in a city and not?  Are country folks too proud to ask for a hand out?  Are city folks too easily conditioned not to?  Is it because the cost of living in the country is less?  If so, then why don't the have nots leave the city, come breathe the fresh air and raise their kids outside the failing schools of the cities.  And leave the crime behind when you turn your backs on the city.  Every city has higher taxes than the country too, so you automatically get a break by leaving.

Every politician promises more money for cops, more money for schools, and more money for the indigent.  Why don't we help them leave the cities so they can understand the values of the folks that live in the country?  That would be great for the cities and their failing budgets when they shed the burden of the untaxed resident.

I know what you city folks are saying.  "Now hold on just a darned minute, there is no way I am leaving the greatest city on earth (fill in your own city) to go live with back woods folks in the boring old country."  Well it probably was shorter than that and contained actual profanity but you get the point.  But tell me what is so great about living in a city.  Pro-sports, yeah got that.  A myriad of entertainment, ok sure.  Great restaurants, got it.  Culture sure.   Well what about grid-lock, crime, noise, pollution, crowding, dangerous failing schools - are those just the price to pay for good seats at the game?  Oh, my tv picks up all those games and shows, and I do know how to cook pretty well, too.

Nope there is no class war in this country.   It is urban - rural warfare.  And somewhere in there is the key to solving our nations problems.  For those who have read my posts you know where I stand on increasing taxes (especially my own), imagine what it is like for you city folks (you are the majority) to pass tax increases on the country folks (minority) to spend on your folks in the cities.  Now I realize there are Repubs and Demos in every part of the country, I am generalizing here, but can you see where the animosity might come from that leads to this "urban" class war?  To Mr. Obama, if you want to reach out to America, you will have to leave the cities to do so.

Seems obvious to me. 

(BTW- I do live in Cincinnati! but I have lived in the country most of my life and I see the best of both worlds.)

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Since: Dec 28, 2007
Posted on: November 11, 2008 6:19 pm
 

The Urban Class War

Obama carried states that are or were traditionally manufacturing locals. Michigan, Ohio, PA. Illinios. These states have been ravaged by NAFTA and are tied primarily to the auto industry directly like Michigan or indirectly like PA through steel mills.These are also very union polarized states and unions traditionally voted democrat. The economy as much as Bush's lack of support doomed the republican ticket. the only time the Republican ticket polled even with Obama was after Palin was announced as VP. This momentum could'nt carry through November.

rarely does a party control the White House longer than 8 years. ( Look that one up). This has nothing to do with class war but a cycle that society follows. Rarely do you see things swing to far right or left. Even with the general impression that the U.S. economy was strong and Bill Clinton was leaving the country in good shape (minus personal issues) the Democrats lost the White House.




Since: Oct 14, 2006
Posted on: November 11, 2008 5:33 pm
 

The Urban Class War

Yes I do believe McCain's plan was better.  The democrat stance of no new drilling was wrongThink of the message that sent to the Middle East and Chavez.  Half of the US saying drill it all, drill it now and another half saying don't.  When the chant to drill now was heard the speculator who drove the oil price up in the first place got the message and the price began to fall.  The free fall in oil prices since the financial crisis bloomed is something different.  But OPEC got the message and Saudi Arabia told the rest of OPEC 'no' to a further restricting of oil quotas

Smorgie..you missed on this one...  A No Drilling  Policy was a Bush EXECUTIVE ORDER...something it appears Obama plans to repeal...

 




Since: Oct 14, 2006
Posted on: November 11, 2008 4:48 pm
 

The Urban Class War

I also believe that the God, guns, and gays motivation is largely based on fear of the unknown.  And in my opinion, fear is the weapon of choice for the Republican party, at least lately.   Obama is a terrorist muslim socialist commy?  They want to take our guns away so we can't stop them from raping our women?  They want those durned homosexuals to steal our children and brainwash them into being gay?  My word!  We can't vote for those wretched Democrats!   Unfortunately for the Republicans this year (really unfortunate for me because I was heavily pro-McCain a year ago), the campaign of fear without substance couldn't overcome the negative feelings about Bush and the economy.  And quite frankly, until the party goes back to it's fiscally conservative origins and abandons the socially conservative pandering, I think they are going to struggle.  Unless the Democrats bolox things so badly that there's no choice but to vote Republican in 4 years (or less).
This ...was an excellent post......



Since: Oct 14, 2006
Posted on: November 11, 2008 4:44 pm
 

The Urban Class War

I think you may have missed on this one Smorgie...

What I saw was either Southern States that had an issue with race...and the other States that are hardcore Religous Right voters...

It is a shame that  "Change" puts so much fear into the average Joe...

As far as West Virginia goes...McCain did not carry that state in a landslide by any stretch..couple that with voter turnout being down 12% ...you get ..what you got..




Since: Aug 19, 2006
Posted on: November 7, 2008 7:32 pm
 

The Urban Class War

Wow, lots of good posts here. First off, I haven't a clue why this urban-rural divide exists. The town I live in is about 30K or so, so I guess it counts as rural. I would guess that people in rural areas are more likely to be religious and therefore socially conservative. Also, people use guns for hunting and sporting, instead of in the city where there isn't much use for them except gang violence. So Mr. Obama's remarks about us rural folks were accurate, save for the "bitter" part. I really don't know about the government handouts bit. I'm thankful that the taxpayers are helping me pay for college, but I'd prefer that the government didn't give any handouts and just kept taxes low, so I and others wouldn't need help in the first place. IMO the biggest failure of the Republican Party (and the reason they've got creamed in the last 2 elections) is, along with the unpopular war, their apparent decision to embrace big government. I'm really hoping they get back to more of a libertarian economic policy. I'd also like to point out that when the GOP runs moderates for President (McCain, Dole, Ford, etc.) they lose. The Republicans cannot get into a contest with the Dems of who can promise more goodies. The Dems will always win that fight. Instead, offer a clear alternative. Let's looks at some of the recent issues: California, Arizona, and Florida all chose traditional marriage, most Americans opposed the bailout, and most Americans want to increase domestic oil production, and I suspect from the backlash that happened last year with the "Immigration Reform" bill that most Americans oppose amnesty. There is not a lack of conservative voters, merely a lack of truly conservative politicians who live up to their promises. Sorry, I know that went way off topic, but I needed to rant.




Since: Mar 20, 2008
Posted on: November 7, 2008 7:12 pm
 

The Urban Class War

Look at Ohio or Texas or Georgia or Penns Woods or.......... there are always exceptions.


Badger_colorado
Since: Jan 24, 2007
Posted on: November 7, 2008 6:20 pm
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Since: Jan 22, 2007
Posted on: November 7, 2008 6:02 pm
 

The Urban Class War

I also want to add that California, where I live, fits your bill to a tee. A few metropolis areas surrounded by rural, farming based,communities. This is where it got us. In California the voters have deemed that the rights of chickens are more important than the rights of humans. Also most people I talked to, including ones who I would have thought knew what they were talking about, could not tell me the name of one candidate other than Obama or McCain.

Our main issue is that we as a people in this country put little or no effort into understanding the issues we are faced with unless it has a "moral" tone about it. Until the time we make sure we UNDERSTAND everything about the propositions and politicians before us we will continue to do things like ... vote to borrow (bond) billions of dollars to build a bullet train from LA to SF in a time when we are billions of dollars in debt. Why? Because it was sold on creating jobs. We can create jobs in other ways AND not have to borrow money to pay for them. Sad and disheartening.

Voting is like betting ... it should be done with your HEAD and not your HEART.

Peace ... Rog




Since: Jan 22, 2007
Posted on: November 7, 2008 5:47 pm
 

The Urban Class War

And the general feeling among our brass is Obama and a democrat controlled legislative branch will be bad for our interests

Smorgie ... I love and respect your writing and ideals whether or not I agree with each specific one ... but doesn't your above quote show that your sampling of people did indeed vote to protect their economic interest and not their rural way of life?

Peace ... Rog



Badger_colorado
Since: Jan 24, 2007
Posted on: November 7, 2008 5:01 pm
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