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While Obama picked his brackets the media slept

Posted on: June 8, 2009 5:44 pm
 
I have been quiet for too long....

Folks, I hate to be the one to say I told you so, but I told you so. Many people tried to tell you so, but you would not listen. Obama is going to raise your taxes. All of you are about to feel a tax increase that will hit us all hard. More to the point the folks in the less than $75K range will be crushed by the tax increase. Heck under $30 K will see a $2000 tax increase! All this to pay for ObamaCare, the national healthcare plan. These are the bread and butter folks that support Obama. Will they stand for being lied too?

People are going to flip out, folks. The Unions are going to flip out and turn on him. Average Americans are going to flip out and turn on him. 62% of Americans do not support this tax increase to pay for ObamaCare. This is the same proposal made by McCain during the campaign that was shredded by Obama as unAmerican, taxing your employer healthcare benefits, how dare you! Yet that is just what he and his Democrats in power are proposing.

And it appears the quality of our coverage, read that to mean the quality of your healthcare will reduce to a minimum standard as put forth by the GOVERNMENT, not your doctors. Read the attached article below and please tell me how you feel. If you voted for Obama, I want to hear you explain this. Please, I am all ears.

First he said he was going to undo Bush policies on torture, apply civil due process for detainees (can't call them terrorists) and war prosecution in the MidEast and Afganistan, yet Obama has continued or intensified the Bush policies in all cases! Anyone tired of being lied to?



The Article from MSNBC June 8

As part of a health insurance reform package now before Congress, some of the 164 million Americans who are covered by employer-provided health plans could be asked to give up at least part of the longstanding tax exemption granted to such compensation.

It’s an idea likely to be met with howls of opposition if it makes it into the final version of health insurance legislation that President Barack Obama is pushing.

The idea of limiting the tax break for employer-provided insurance gained momentum last week, when Obama told senators that he’d consider it as one ingredient of the  health insurance reform bill he wants Congress to pass by early August, when the Senate starts a one-month recess.

Senate Finance Committee Chairman Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., who conveyed Obama’s willingness to consider the idea after a White House meeting Tuesday, has said the tax treatment of employer-provided health insurance ought to be made "fairer and more equitable for everyone."

Will you end up with more taxable income?

While details of such an approach are still sketchy, it would likely involve employees paying tax on a percentage of their employer-provided health benefits. So if Congress decided that all such premiums in excess of $11,000 for family plans would be taxable income, and your company paid premiums worth $16,000 for your coverage, you’d have to pay taxes on $5,000. 

Obama’s new openness to the idea stands in contrast to what he said six months ago as a presidential candidate, when he harshly criticized his Republican rival, Sen. John McCain, for proposing that employer-provided benefits should be taxed.

Scolding McCain in their debate on Oct. 15, Obama said, "This is your plan, John. For the first time in history, you will be taxing people's health-care benefits." Obama also pledged last year not to raise taxes for families making less than $250,000, and a health benefits tax, depending on how it was structured, could run afoul of that promise.

The tax exemption on employer-provided health insurance, which dates to 1943, has already survived one attempt to limit it.

An echo of Ronald Reagan

In 1984, President Ronald Reagan floated the idea of requiring workers to pay taxes on employer contributions to their health insurance exceeding $2,100 a year. A Washington Post editorial the following year called the proposal "surprisingly lucrative yet eminently fair," and speculated that "(it) might have helped hold down health care costs in the bargain." But opposition, especially from labor unions, scuttled the proposal.

 

Folks with an adjusted gross income of less than $10 grand would pay an average of $635 more in taxes a year, generating $3.6B.

Folks with an adjusted gross income of $10-30k would pay an average of $1952 more in taxes a year, generating $34.4B.

$30-50K would pay $2,457 morea year and generate $42.7 Billion.

$50-75K would pay $3,095 more a year and generate $46B.

$75-100K would pay $3,900 more a year and generate $37B.

$100-199K would pay $4,481 more a year and generate $48B.

$200-500K would pay $4,728 more a year and generate $11.6B.

Folks making over $500K would pay $4,467 more a year and generate $2.7B for the Federal Healthcare program.

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Obama’s new receptivity to the tax springs from the massive sums of money needed to pay for expanding health coverage to the uninsured.

Obama’s Council of Economic Advisors last week cited a figure of about $125 billion a year to insure the uninsured. But the president aims to do more than that. He also wants to subsidize the cost of coverage for lower-income people, subsidize COBRA coverage for those who lost their jobs and make other changes. MIT economist Jonathan Gruber told the Finance Committee last month that curbing the health insurance tax break was "both the most natural source of financing for health care reform" and "one of the few that is clearly large enough to finance the subsidies needed for reform."

According to the congressional Joint Committee on Taxation, the Treasury misses out on $226 billion a year because employer spending on health insurance isn’t counted as taxable income.

That figure dwarfs any other potential health-related revenue sources that have been identified as possibilities to help fund the health care expansion. Among them are a 3-cent-per-can tax on sugar-sweetened beverages, which the Congressional Budget Office estimates would raise about $50 billion over 10 years, or increasing taxes on beer, wine and distilled liquor which, under one CBO scenario, would raise $60 billion over 10 years.

According to an analysis by the Joint Committee on Taxation, curbing the tax break for employer-provided health insurance would primarily affect the wealthy, who "receive the greatest tax benefit from the exclusion from income." According to Gruber, "about three-quarters of these dollars go to the top half of the income distribution."

But opposition to the proposal may be as big a problem for Obama as it was for Reagan.

A Kaiser Family Foundation survey in April that asked whether workers "with the most generous health care benefits" should be required to pay taxes on their coverage found 52 percent of respondents opposed to the idea. Of those who currently have employer-sponsored health insurance, 62 percent opposed it. (The poll of 1,203 adults had a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.)

Will Americans bridle at loss of tax break?

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce warned Baucus in a letter last month that workers view employer-provided insurance "as duly-earned income" that should be "protected from the tax collector. This perception perhaps explains why the president was so successful in campaigning against Senator McCain’s health reform proposal — Americans generally do not support tax increases."

The American Benefits Council, which represents principally Fortune 500 companies, is also opposed to the idea of limiting the tax break for employer-provided insurance.

"It is likely to lead to higher deductibles or co-pays, so there’s higher cost sharing" by workers, said the group’s health care spokesman, Paul Dennett. If Congress were to set the threshold for taxation of benefits at $13,000 for a family coverage plan, then employers "in order to help workers not face taxation, may offer coverage below that threshold. This is a course employers say they would likely take."

Reduction in health benefits?

Economist Elise Gould at the liberal think-tank the Economic Policy Institute gave a similar assessment. Employers would see the threshold for taxation as what the government deemed the target level for health benefits, she said. "Employers will respond by reducing the comprehensiveness of benefits. They’ll likely target premiums to fall below the (threshold) value or just at that value, so employees don’t have to pay those additional taxes." Corporate America also fears that a limit on the tax break for health insurance would create an administrative nightmare, especially for large firms with employees in different states who face widely varying health care costs. And opposition also remains strong among labor unions, which were big Obama backers in last year’s election.

Barbara Coufal, the assistant director of legislation at American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees, said, "We don’t think we need to look inside the health care system to seek all the revenues we need for health care reform. Over the last 10 years, there have been a lot of tax breaks that have been given to the wealthy and to businesses. We maybe ought to look there and restore some equity." With momentum growing to enact some limit on the tax break for health benefits, increasing energy is being devoted to develop a workable taxation scheme.

Target upper-income Americans?

Gruber suggested the possibility of having a baseline so that only families with incomes above $125,000 per year would pay tax on their benefits. Gruber said this would still raise a lot of revenue: more than $40 billion a year if the cap were indexed to increases in the Consumer Price Index. But in its letter to Baucus, the Chamber of Commerce said that such a proposal might "foster class warfare by (repealing the exclusion) … for certain income earners and not affecting others." Baucus, a 30-year Senate veteran, knows the politics of this issue are delicate. Limiting the tax break for employer-provided health benefits has "got to be done in a very sensitive way, to make sure the limits are high enough," he was quoted as saying last Thursday by the Capitol Hill publication CQ Today. Yet if Congress changes the law so that the tax bite ends up hitting only the wealthy, it might not raise enough revenue to help pay for health insurance overhaul. "That’s the real dilemma," said Dennett, of the American Benefits Council. "The lower the threshold is set, then the lower the revenue gain — and the scramble would be on to find other revenue sources."


I feel better now.  Thanks.
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Since: Oct 14, 2006
Posted on: June 9, 2009 11:01 am
 

While Obama picked his brackets the media slept

Quite frankly, I think he is a one term president if he keeps pushing exhorbitant spending and tax increases that will eventually stifle the economy. WAAAAAAAAAAAYY   off  here my friend....Foreign Policy is the driver...What he is doing over seas right now is going to be the cornerstone of his re-election...if there is peace in the Middle East...and if Bin Laden is found ..which I actually think he will be ......he will be immortalized around the world...it will give him four more years to turn the economy around..and speaking of which..in case you missed it..the DOW has climbed 2200 points since the beginning of the year..and may just get back to 10,000 by years end...since the
4th quater   is usually an up tick quarter historically...something good is going on...people do not just leap back into the market on good faith....





Since: Mar 20, 2008
Posted on: June 9, 2009 10:48 am
 

While Obama picked his brackets the media slept

What you are witnessing now is the end of Blue Collar Unions as we know it....In case you didn't read it, the UAW is a large stakeholder in GM.  The gift from Obama was they don't have to give up any wages or benefits, only a couple of work rules and then they screwed their retirees.  Obama and the Congress have made it clear they are supporting the Union on the deal.  Ford still has commitments to the UAW.  Little has changed - yet.  Oh, and GM cannot import the new Obamamobile (as yet un-named econbox made by Government Motors) they must make it here in Union shops.

Picking up the slack?  From 16 million vehicles a year to 9 million, where's the slack?



Since: Oct 14, 2006
Posted on: June 9, 2009 10:39 am
 

While Obama picked his brackets the media slept

One tis is certain, Americans will be in for a big surprise, good luck getting the level of care you are used to once this plan passes.  We have a system bettr than any other, but Government is going to wreck it. Maybe your right...maybe your wrong...but what we have...ain't great ....by a long shot....


Examples....

If youwork for a company thats health plan requires you to have a primary...how any times have you heard a freind or relative say...the primary is no longer taking new patients..or you need a referral and the only refferrals the insurance company will approve is from a list of 20 physicians....who are mediocre...at best ...at what they do..

Or go to an urgent care...who now has the ability to pick and chose what insurance carrier they will accept....and throw you out in the street even if you ar sick as a dog...BTW ..Just happened to me...And I have Blue Cross Blue Shield..Carefirst.PPO..the best....

So you have to resort to going to a hospital for insignifcant  or minor care nneds  ..and pay 4 times more than other alternatives...


Obama's plan needs some work ...but what is going on today is broken...big time..




Since: Oct 14, 2006
Posted on: June 9, 2009 10:31 am
 

While Obama picked his brackets the media slept

Funny how you leave out all the new spending as a reason to raise taxes, why?
I did??...you even highlighted my note of flooding the markets with money...its in there...



Since: Mar 20, 2008
Posted on: June 9, 2009 10:05 am
 

While Obama picked his brackets the media slept

Big Papa,

You raise some great questions.  Obama is indeed between a rock and a hard place on this.  He is about to find out just how much backlash there is in the system he has pandered to.  Quite frankly, I think he is a one term president if he keeps pushing exhorbitant spending and tax increases that will eventually stifle the economy.  Keep in mind, he is implementing virtually non-repealable entitlements.  No way to make them go away if they are found to be wrong.  Those are the dangers.  There are 164 million Americans covered under the old system and they are going to pay for the other half who do not.  And as long as the government has its hands in it you can bet your bottom dollar it will become as bloated as 8 day dead steer out on the Texas scrub.  When healthcare consumes 20% of our GDP we are dead.  Our economy will bellyflop.  Under the oppression of this financial burden Americans will cease to spend, will cease to be entreprenuers, will cease to strive to be successful to avoid heavier tax burdens.  Why work hard if we all get to suckle at the government teat?

That is socialism.  See former Soviet Union (my birth home).  And note the word FORMER.

My thoughts are this on Obama.  He has started this now he has to finish it.  The risks to the country are immense.  If he does everything right he will be a one term president - and the country may survive in some changed form.  If he continues to pander to his constituents and halfasses it then he will condemn this nation to a slow painful death over the next 20-50 years. 

I expect a second civil war before that comes to pass led by the heartland who has remained financially conservative and is performing well even in this recession.



Since: Feb 18, 2008
Posted on: June 9, 2009 9:39 am
 

While Obama picked his brackets the media slept

Anyhow...to your post...of course they are going to raise taxes....you flood the markets with money ..couple that with high unemployment and you need to be able to offset the likelihood of inflation with a tax hike...it is economics 101..

Funny how you leave out all the new spending as a reason to raise taxes, why?

As for the Obambi plan, it's old news.  He has already floated this plan and Americans have remained rlayively silent, still basking in the awe of Obama.  One tis is certain, Americans will be in for a big surprise, good luck getting the level of care you are used to once this plan passes.  We have a system bettr than any other, but Government is going to wreck it.  The only places where the system is problematic is where government has intervened already.

As for the taxing the rich scheme, it won't work.  Take every penny the rich make, it still won't cover Obama's new spending proposals.  This is a old song they sing, but sadly, many, too many, Americans still sing along. 



Since: Oct 14, 2006
Posted on: June 9, 2009 8:23 am
 

While Obama picked his brackets the media slept

Well Smorige...I hate to tell you I told you so!!..  Everything I told you before of what was going to happen in Detroit has happend to the letter.....

What you are witnessing now is the end of Blue Collar Unions as we know it....I mentioned before that other comoanies would come in and pick up the slack..well..they are starting to creep in....and Its the CHINESE!!!!....with GMS HELP!!....how sad is it that it is cheaper for GM to collaborate with  the Chinese and import cars back to the states...It epitomizes the years and years of band aids and bad deals between coporate America and Labor Unions....

Anyhow...to your post...of course they are going to raise taxes....you flood the markets with money ..couple that with high unemployment and you need to be able to offset the likelihood of inflation with a tax hike...it is economics 101..




Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: June 9, 2009 2:31 am
 

While Obama picked his brackets the media slept

First of all, I'm not an Obama supporter. Lets just get that out there. I voted for McCain I was born a Republican and I'm from Texas. Enough said. Obviously something needs to happen to reform our healthcare system, right? Are you more upset that he lied or are you more upset at his plan? I'm not much of a politician but I do know that they lie. Now, Obama scares the (four letter word) out of me but he has to do something. What do you think he should do in this situation?

I happen to be a sales manager of a Ford dealership in Northern California and it really frustrates me to see our government bailing out companies like Chrysler and GM who have been so irresponsible. Unfortunatley, if he didn't do what needed to be done our country would most likely be in a world of hurt right now. Ford saw this coming and has been reducing expenses for the last three years meanwhile producing some of its best product EVER! Surpassing Honda and Toyota in quality. In a way the two companies who have fallen on their faces could potentially come out of this ahead of Ford if the consumers feel like they want to buy a car that they have a vested interest in. This is all very frustrating to me!

I'm definitely not defending Obama as some of his latest overseas comments have scared the (four letter word again) out of me but I'm not sure he has much of a choice in some of these matters. Do I think that McCain was the better canditate? Yes. Do I think Obama is stuck between a rock and a hard place? Yes.

Big Papa D is a confused man right now, ask me something about sports and I can give you a clear cut answer!Cool



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