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Big 10 becoming the Big 16? Big Deal!

Posted on: May 5, 2010 1:38 pm
 
There's been a lot of talk about the Big 10 (with 11 teams currently) expanding itself to a larger conference.  The driving force behind this, like anything, is money, specifically for the Big Ten Network.  Notre Dame is the first and obvious target, followed by a school (or group of schools) who can tap into the New York City Market.  As Dennis Dodd suggests, this could be accomplished with the trio of Rutgers, Syracuse, and Conneticuit.  If these four teams are added, that would put the total number of Big 10 teams to 15, leaving a need for one more team to round out the conference to 16.  A lot of other names have been thrown around, like Missouri, Pittsburgh, and Iowa State.  There are geographic considerations like Cincinatti, Ohio, Ball State, Lousiville, or Kentucky.  However, the biggest get for the Big 10's final team would undoubedly be Nebraska.

The percieved weakness in adding Nebraska to the conference is that they don't bring a top market with them, but this is hardly true.  Sure, the state of Nebraska isn't the strongest of markets.  That much can't really be argued.  But what people fail to realise is how much more competitive the Big 10 would be if a team of the quality and with the history of Nebraska.  It would stretch the reach of the Big 10 westward, while also locking up states like the Dakota's, whos loyalties are currently split between Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa, and Iowa State.  Mostly, however, when you add a group of teams that includes Nebraska AND Notre Dame, it increases the NATIONAL appeal of the conference.

So how would a 16 team conference play a football schedule that demands 12 games?  If you divide the conference in half, that leaves each team playing 7 subdivision games, which leaves 5 remaining games each year to be split between out of conference teams and teams in the other subdivision...not necessarily ideal, especially when you consider that, at least in the Big 12, teams have 4 out of conference games a year.  If you divide the conference into thirds (which, fyi, is impossible with 16 teams anyways, you'd have to leave it at 15), you would be left with the issue of having three subdivision winner, so who would you crown as the Big 10 champ?  Who gets that Rose Bowl birth?  The solution is to divide the conference into 4 subdivisions with 4 teams each.  You would do it along geography clusters, and do everything you can to keep existing rivalries intact.

West:  Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, Nebraska
North:  Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame
South:  Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern
East:  Penn State, Rutgers, Syracuse, Conneticuit

Each team in the subdivision plays the other 3 teams every year, along with one team from each of the other subdivisions.  For instance, Nebraska would play Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin every year, and would also play one team from the North, South, and East.  This gives each team 6 conference games per year, leaving 6 extra games.

With four subdivision winners, not only will there be a conference title game, but there will be a conference PLAYOFF.  The division winner with the best record will play the division winner with the worst record, and the other two will also play each other, with the winner advancing to the title game.  This extra week of playoffs takes away one of the 6 remaining games, leaving each team with 5 games to fill.  4 are allocated as out of conference games, with the final remaining game as a "wildcard" matchup.

This wildcard matchup is based off of the teams record of the previous year.  The two Big 10 teams with the best record last year play each other, the third and fourth best records play each other, and so on.  This increases the conferences competition amongst its best teams, which will keep the overall best team competitive for the National Championship Game every year.

For clarification, the schedule breakdown would look like this:

First four games:  Out of conference play
Next 7 games:  Conference Play.  3 games vs. own subdivision.  1 game vs. 1 team from each other subdivision (on a rotating basis) for a total of 3 other games.  1 "wildcard" game based off of last years performance.
12th game:  Playoff week.  Seeds 1 and 4 play each other, 2 and 3 play each other.
13th game:  Conference Championship Game
Category: NCAAF
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Since: Jan 6, 2010
Posted on: May 7, 2010 7:53 pm
 

Big 10 becoming the Big 16? Big Deal!

Goldpanther?   When you get to college you'll understand a bit more

Spoken like a person striving for his or her Phi Beta Kappa key. However, Clip, before that can happen you better file a bio, gain some sort of reputation as a thread participant, and post something that makes sense...got a feeling you are not up to any of the above.






Since: Oct 18, 2006
Posted on: May 7, 2010 5:04 pm
 

Big 10 becoming the Big 16? Big Deal!

Goldpanther?   When you get to college you'll understand a bit more



Since: Mar 9, 2007
Posted on: May 7, 2010 3:20 pm
 

Big 10 becoming the Big 16? Big Deal!

A Ton of Problems With This Blog & Responses:

1)
However, the biggest get for the Big 10's final team would undoubedly be Nebraska.

Actually the Big 10 would much rather have Missouri and their St. Louis TV market over Nebraska. As you said, this expansion is all about money, and Nebraska isn't exactly packed with people or greenbacks.

2) Sure, the state of Nebraska isn't the strongest of markets.

Its a weak market. My county has probably the same earning power as the whole state (Middlesex County, NJ).

3) But what people fail to realise is how much more competitive the Big 10 would be if a team of the quality and with the history of Nebraska.

I hope sentence isn't a reflection of the education level in Nebraska, the Big 10 has very high academic standards.

4) North:  Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame

I don't understand how people are not getting this. Ohio State & Michigan will not, I REPEAT, WILL NOT EVER EVER EVER, be in the same division within the Big 10 conference. The Big 10 will arrange divisions so that Ohio State can win one division, and Michigan the other so that the title game would be a second meeting between the Buckeyes and Wolverines. OSU and Michigan will still play their annual game, however the revenue from a second rematch in a Big 10 title game is too much of a dream to pass up, and having Ohio State and Michigan in the same division would make that impossible. 

5) With four subdivision winners, not only will there be a conference title game, but there will be a conference PLAYOFF. 

No way this will ever happen. The Big 10 will not expand past a single title game.

6) They need new blood, but who wants to play thier brand of stodgy football, or thier style of boring  basketball?

First off the Big 10 doesn't need new blood. They are the richest conference in college sports. Second I would say just about everyone outside of the major powers in their own long standing conferences (USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, etc) would gladly cross over to the Big 10 if given the chance. Any Big East team would sell out in a second to join the Big 10.

7) A more realistic conference alignment would be for Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan State, and Michigan to join the New Big East

Next I hear that Texas is going to leave the U.S. to become part of Mexico.

8) NW, Minn, Wisc, Ill, INd, Purdue and ND will become tied to each other for ever and a day.

I became stupider from reading this sentence.


Overall the blog is ok, I just think you have to be more realistic about how the Big 10 would want to expand. I would say they go to (2) divisions of 7 teams each. With the winners of each division playing a title game. The new adds would ideally be Notre Dame, Missouri, & Rutgers. These 3 teams give the oppertunity for the Big 10 to catch the most new marketing demographics, which is what it is all about as you so eloquently put it before.








Since: Sep 5, 2006
Posted on: May 7, 2010 2:30 pm
 

Big 10 becoming the Big 16? Big Deal!

They need new blood, but who wants to play thier brand of stodgy football, or thier style of boring  basketball.
First of all, just because it isn't your team, doesn't mean it sucks. There are many differnet styles of play in the big ten, not that you would know. You just keep listening to all the conference blowhards.

Secondly, do you really think that a school president gives a rats a** on what kind offense a different school runs? I mean, think about it. I can hear a college head saying this now, "Ya know, I would take that 7 million dollars and get job security, but damn, I think i will pass it up because some of their teams run more that they pass."

Sounds kinda stupid when you say it out loud, doesn't it?



Since: Jan 6, 2010
Posted on: May 7, 2010 1:58 pm
 

Big 10 becoming the Big 16? Big Deal!

Keep dreaming Big Ten sychophants and some day your wishes will come true. Of course that can only happen when that woebegone conference is torn assunder and the following scenerio is most apt to occur.

PSU, OSU, MSU, Mich. to the Big East.

NW, Minn, Wisc, Ill, INd, Purdue and ND will become tied to each other for ever and a day. Even the Big 12 will want no parts of these leftovers. You might entice Boise State, BYU, or Montana...in any event good luck to you; You will need it before the day of attonement.



Since: May 7, 2010
Posted on: May 7, 2010 1:40 pm
 

Big 10 becoming the Big 16? Big Deal!

I keep hearing these ridiculous comments from Big East apologists saying the Big East is going to take Big Ten schools.  This is never going to happen.  The Big Ten's tradition is rooted in Football and Basketball.  The Big East has no football tradition and what you had - left and went to the ACC.  You are a basketball league, which will soon be less of one. 

This is about money.

Academic money and Football money.  The Big Ten has the most of both.  Your league is doomed, because their isn't a University President or Athletic Director who isn't going to jump at the chance to have both.

The divisions that will likely emerge from this are:


West - Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, Nebraska , Illinois, Northwestern, Missouri , Indiana

East - Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame , Ohio State, Penn State, Syracuse, Rutgers


The Big 10 will go to a 9 game conference schedule allowing for 3 out of conference games.  6 games in Division and 3 out of Division.

Every year each school will not play a team from its division. This sounds screwy but allows for more interdivisional play. 

This creates a more balanced schedule.  It also ensures that this large league does not become two conferences.

It is either that or go to only 2 out of conference games which Notre Dame will balk at.






Since: Jan 6, 2010
Posted on: May 7, 2010 11:29 am
 

Big 10 becoming the Big 16? Big Deal!

This posting is way too much to do about nothing. If and when the Big Ten commences the shaking of trees for new fruit, it will not be Nebraska.

Also doubtful is UConn. Syracuse is a possible. The one mentioned to capture the NYC market is Rutgers...despite geographic consideration, NYC is not a hot college football market and Rutgers simply does not have the tradition to draw.

However, the Big Ten is in a tough spot.  They need new blood, but who wants to play thier brand of stodgy football, or thier style of boring  basketball.  Regarding money, Chicago is the only true major market in the entire conference...so whats to write home about the BTN?

A more realistic conference alignment would be for Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan State, and Michigan to join the New Big East  As we speak the letters of invitation are being printed. 



Since: Jul 14, 2008
Posted on: May 7, 2010 12:59 am
 

Big 10 becoming the Big 16? Big Deal!

i posted pretty much this exact same thing, but look how powerful you hae the north, and how obnoxiously bad the south division


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