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Halladay to Phils, Lee to M's close

Posted on: December 14, 2009 4:09 pm
Edited on: December 15, 2009 10:54 am
 
A three-team blockbuster that would send Roy Halladay to the Phillies and Cliff Lee to the Mariners is nearly complete, CBSSports.com has confirmed.

A few final details are still to be finalized, but Halladay is expected to sign a contract extension that will pay him about $60 million for three years, with vesting options beyond that. The Phillies will send three prospects to the Blue Jays in exchange for Halladay, including pitcher Kyle Drabek and outfielder Michael Taylor. They will receive three prospects from the Mariners in exchange for Lee, including pitcher Phillippe Aumont.

The Phillies have aggressively pursued Halladay since July, when they couldn't come to an agreement with the Blue Jays and instead acquired Lee from the Indians. The Blue Jays have changed general managers since then, and the new regime went to last week's winter meetings eager to deal Halladay and get younger players in return.

The Jays' desire for young talent made a trade with Philadelphia complicated, and the Phillies' payroll constraints made it even more difficult. It's believed that the Phillies couldn't fit both Halladay and Lee into their 2010 payroll, so to acquire Halladay they also needed to make the deal to trade Lee.

Halladay and Lee are both Cy Young winners, and between them they have three 20-win seasons (two by Halladay).

The Mariners had hoped to add a top-level starter to a rotation that already includes Cy Young runner-up Felix Hernandez. They had been talking to free agent John Lackey, but with Lackey headed to the Red Sox, they were able to shift their focus and agree to the deal for Lee.





Comments

Since: Dec 11, 2006
Posted on: December 14, 2009 6:20 pm
 

Halladay to Phils, Lee to M's close

wait a minute, cliff lee makes the mariners contenders? he didn't makethe Indians a contender, why would it be any different?
the mariners are not that great. Think again.



Since: May 3, 2007
Posted on: December 14, 2009 6:18 pm
 

Halladay to Phils, Lee to M's close

Just as long as the Yankees don't get Halladay. They don't need him anyway.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: December 14, 2009 6:18 pm
 

Halladay to Phils, Lee to M's close

And even last year Halladay slaughtered Lee's numbers....trading Lee for Lee? STUPID comment. do some research.
Finally, a voice of reason ! God bless you sir !!  LMAO

What's wrong with people?  Phili fans should be going out and partying tonight.  The guy was a beast in what is by far the toughest hitting division to play in baseball. 

You have the short right field porch in Yankee stadium tough for any right handed pitcher to overcome.  You have a hitters ballpark in boston he had to pitch in.  Tampa had hitters all over the place.....  yet the guy dominates?

Cliff who??????????



Since: Dec 1, 2007
Posted on: December 14, 2009 6:17 pm
 

Halladay to Phils, Lee to M's close

Why would you trade Cliff Lee when he just got you to the World Series?  I know Roy Halladay is a great pitcher, but this seems like a lateral move and you would be getting rid of a pitcher who obviously is comfortable in Philly which is a tough place to play.



Since: Dec 14, 2009
Posted on: December 14, 2009 6:16 pm
 

Halladay to Phils, Lee to M's discussed

I agree that Halladay and Lee are similar and this trade really does not seem to accomplish much on the surface, however there are several reasons for Philly to make this trade.
First, Lee is Left handed, Halladay is a rightie.  The Phillies rotation with Lee included 4 lefties ( Lee, Hamels, Happ, Moyer ).  Now they will have two righties and three lefties which will balance their rotation and help them against teams that hit lefties well.
Second, Lee makes much less than Halladay right now, but I am guessing that the reason the Phillies did this deal was because Lee would not sign an extension because he wants to test the free agent market.  Cliff Lee will most likely command close to a CC Sabathia type contract in free agency and the Phillies would most likely lose out to someone else in a bidding war because they would have to be somewhat conservative in order to keep enough money to sign their other big names who are due raises.  My guess is Halladay is going to sign a long term deal with the Phillies because he lives close to the spring training facility and they give him a great chance to win. The Phillies traded away four prospects for Lee and if they thought they were going to lose him after next season I think it is smart that they trade him for someone they have a better chance of signing to a long term deal, so they didnt trade away such a huge chunk of their farm system for 1.5 years of service from Lee.
Third, The Phillies still believe in Hamels.  Yes, he had a bad year but he has proven that he can be a very effective pitcher.  I watched a lot of games that he pitched, and he pitched well but it seemed that every mistake he made resulted in a homerun.  I don't see last year as an indication that he is a bust, or that he is done.  I see it as a speed bump, I think he will bounce back and I think that the Phillies believe this too.  Plus, now with Halladay, Hamels will not be under as much pressure, plus Halladay is known for his work ethic and preparation, which hopefully will rub off on Hamels, Happ, and Drabek.  Also, don't forget that Hamels had a lot of off the field issues last season.  These guys are human after all, he was dealing with his new found fame, and also the birth of his first child.
I think this will work out well for the Phillies in the long run, obviously all the details of the deal aren't settled yet, but I'm all for it.  As far as Cliff Lee goes, he will be missed, I know I enjoyed watching him pitch for the Phillies, his performance in the playoffs was unbelievable.  Seattle is getting a great pitcher and guy.



Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: December 14, 2009 6:14 pm
 

Halladay to Phils, Lee to M's close

From everything I've heard Lee wants to stay in Philadelphia, but at market value. With them acquiring Halladay they don't have the money to do so. This deal also allows the Phillies to keep all their top prospects and from what ESPN showed they'll be dealing triple A catcher Travis D'Arnaud and another mid-level prospect. Halladay agreeing to a 3-5 year extension easily sealed the deal.



Since: May 23, 2008
Posted on: December 14, 2009 6:12 pm
 

Halladay to Phils, Lee to M's close

Here's some numbers for the boys that don't think Halladay is a Great, much better than Lee pitcher.

Since 2002 (minimum 200 starts)

Wins

130......1st (in entire MLB)

Winning %

.688.....1st

Shutouts

13........1st

Complete Games

46.........1st

ERA

3.13.......2nd


Pretty good no? Here's what people don't understand, the value of Halladay comes from his great stats AND his ability to finish what he starts. Gives the bullpen a rest and doesn't need to count on Lidge to close out his games....and he has a great track record against the Yankees. He also put up all these stats while playing in the AL East not on the Red Sox or Yankees.

And even last year Halladay slaughtered Lee's numbers....trading Lee for Lee? STUPID comment. do some research.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: December 14, 2009 6:12 pm
 

Halladay to Phils, Lee to M's discussed

but I know that Roy Halladay is not as big of an upgrade over Cliff Lee as people think.
The only reason you and some others would even think that is because he played in a small market town in Canada for team that hasn't won anything in a while.  Toronto is a hockey city so guys like Halliday on the Jays and Bosh on the Raptors get zero press compared to other star athletes. 

It's actually not even a competition, Halliday is a much much better pitcher then anybody let alone Cliff Lee.  His career era is over a half of a run better, 3.40 to 3.97.  If you understand baseball, you understand that's not even close.  If you don't, let me put it to you in simple terms.  This year there Lester had an era of 3.40.  Porcello on Detroit had an era of 3.97.  There were TWENTY pitchers in between them.  So if you want to say that Porcello in his rookie year is as good as Lester then go ahead. But even though I'm a Tigers fan I know better.  A half a run is a massive difference in statistics and salary. 

 His winning percentage from 2001-2008 was tops in all of baseball playing for the most part anywhere from a mediocre team to a bad one.  And here's the kicker, he's actually GETTING BETTER WITH AGE !  His last 2 seasons his era is 2.78 and 2.79 in the AMERICAN LEAGUE EAST where you have powerhouses like Boston, the Yankees, and a year ago Tampa did well and could hit the ball all over the place.  Only God knows how dominating he's going to be in the National League facing pitchers and pinch hitters 3 or 4 times per game.

His last 2 seasons combined go something like this on average.  37-21 with a  2.78 era.   243 average innings pitched the last 2 years.  A whip barely over 1.  And a strikeout to walks ration of 5.5-1 once again over the last 2 seasons.  His team overall the last 2 seasons? Basically 500, a tad under.

The question now, is what is his contract going to look like with Phili?  If Lackey is getting 85 million from Boston with nowhere near the winning percentage and era combination Halliday has, what's the Doc going to make?

I"m thinking it's going to be an insane amount of money... something like 5 years and 100 million dollars is my guess......



Since: Dec 14, 2009
Posted on: December 14, 2009 6:11 pm
 

Halladay to Phils, Lee to M's close

This is a terrible move on the part of the Phillies.  Lee proved he is a great asset to the team and is younger then Halladay.  I say leave the over paid pitcher where he is and not only do we have Lee but even more young stars in the rotation.  It would be nice to have Halladay as well but we will still be great without him.



Since: Dec 14, 2009
Posted on: December 14, 2009 6:01 pm
 

Halladay to Phils, Lee to M's close

Are you kidding me people? How can you trash this deal. The Phils hold on to their przied prospects and Lee WON'T even talk to them about an extension as he absolutely does not want to be here past the 2010 season. Thus the move for Halladay, which only happnes if he is willing to sign an extension. If for some reason that were to fall through, the Phils would stand pat. Obviously all Phillies fans want to have both Halladay and Lee, but it's not gonna happen.
Kudos to Amaro for recognizing the needs of the team beyond next season and locking up a bona fide stud for the forseeable future.
GO PHILS!!!


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