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Phillies seek pitcher, focusing on Oswalt, Haren

Posted on: July 21, 2010 6:44 pm
Edited on: July 21, 2010 7:43 pm
 
It's July, so the Phillies are trying to trade for a starting pitcher.

Of course they are. They do every year.

The Phillies have dealt for a starter each of the last four years , and sources familiar with the organization said they're trying hard this week to make it five in a row.

The top target has been Astros right-hander Roy Oswalt, but it appears that Diamondbacks right-hander Dan Haren could be a strong fallback position. Last year, remember, the Phillies tried first for Roy Halladay, before switching to their second choice and acquiring Cliff Lee (before then trading Lee and acquiring Halladay over the winter).

While sources said that no deal was close, as of late Wednesday afternoon, it's entirely possible that a trade for one of the pitchers could be completed before the July 31 non-waiver deadline. While the Phillies have two openings in their rotation this weekend, after demoting Kyle Kendrick and losing Jamie Moyer to an injury, the team apparently doesn't feel pressure to get a trade completed in the next 2-3 days.

The Phillies expect to activate left-hander J.A. Happ from the disabled list to start Sunday's game against the Rockies, although in some scenarios that have been discussed, Happ would be part of the package the Phillies would give up in a trade.

Astros owner Drayton McLane told the team's website that "nothing's imminent" on the trade front, and suggested that any deal would wait until closer to the July 31 deadline.

A deal for Oswalt remains complicated, for all the reasons we explained last month and more. ESPN.com reported Wednesday that Oswalt would require a team to pick up his 2012 option as part of agreeing to any deal, and sources said the Phillies aren't inclined to do that. Oswalt may not really want to pitch in Philadelphia in any case, having told people in Houston that he would rather not go anywhere with a large and aggressive media contingent.

The Phillies' urgency to make a trade could also be affected by the way the team plays the rest of this week. The Phils lost five of their first six games after the All-Star break, falling a season-high seven games behind the Braves in the National League East. The Phils have also fallen four games behind in the wild-card race.

The standings provide part of the reason that the Phillies have focused on Oswalt and Haren, because both pitchers are signed past this season, so neither would be a pennant-race rental. In effect, Phillies general manager Ruben Amaro would be doing what White Sox GM Ken Williams did last summer, when he traded for Jake Peavy and claimed Alex Rios on waivers with one eye on 2010.

By acquiring either Oswalt or Haren, the Phillies would accomplish two things: First, they'd have a somewhat better chance of making the playoffs this year, and a great playoff rotation of Halladay, Cole Hamels and either of the two targets if they did get there. Second, they'd basically complete their shopping for 2011, adding the pitcher to their rotation with the understanding that they'd make room financially by allowing Jayson Werth to leave as a free agent and replacing him with top prospect Domonic Brown.

The Phils have also discussed the possibility of trading Werth this month, but at this point a Werth trade seems less likely than a deal for a pitcher.



Comments

Since: Dec 10, 2006
Posted on: July 22, 2010 2:40 pm
 

Phillies seek pitcher, focusing on Oswalt, Haren

i think the best scenario right now if they can swing is to move werth for some prospects to unload is his salary he has gone on record to say he will test the free agent market there were rumors they would trade werth to the rays for some prospects then send those prospects to houston for oswalt if tahts possible lets get the deal done if not move werth get some prospects to build are farm unload his salary and package something together to get oswalt and i would gamble on harenthey are both signed through 2011



Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: July 22, 2010 2:07 pm
 

Phillies seek pitcher, focusing on Oswalt, Haren

They have Raul Ibanez hitting third...why? I'm going to go out on a limb and say because he's hitting .342 in the 3 hole.



Since: Nov 22, 2008
Posted on: July 22, 2010 12:45 pm
 

Phillies seek pitcher, focusing on Oswalt, Haren

What does Stadium attendance have to do with the Braves winning or losing?  Don't be stupid.  Philly fills the stadium, and still continues to be behind Atlanta and New York in the race.....what's the point?  With that being said, you think they would spend some of that money and get some better talent on the mound.  Halladay, great.  Hamels, above average.  After that, nothing.  Bullpen, the worst in the league.  Your best player is Howard (and it should be), and Victorino (who is the most underrated guy in the MLB). 

I will say one thing about Philly, the fans are loyal - they would rather buy a ticket to the game than to pay their bills.  LOYALTY!

I love the fact that you won't land Oswalt b/c of "an aggressive fan base" - these comments say it all.  Haha! 

How much crying will the Philly fans be doing this coming season when they lose to the Redskins twice?  Haha!




Since: Jul 13, 2010
Posted on: July 22, 2010 11:38 am
 

Phillies seek pitcher, focusing on Oswalt, Haren

Although I would like to see another great arm in the rotation  -  its not going to help the Phils win anymore games.  The Phillies have scored 3 runs or less in 46 of their 94 games this year.  Scoring runs has been the main issue.  Great if they can land Oswalt but he's not going to put more runs on the board and hopefully he can throw a gem every time out.



Since: Feb 19, 2007
Posted on: July 22, 2010 10:52 am
 

Phillies seek pitcher, focusing on Oswalt, Haren

Werth has value on the trade front, but, due to Ibanez' age, about all he's worth right now is a Greyhound bus ticket to Duluth and a six pack of Surge.  If I was a GM for a MLB team, there's no way I'd take on Ibanez' salary, even half, or give up young prospects for him.  (Unless you could pick on the stupidly functioning Pittsburgh front office and somehow convince them what a good deal Ibanez is.  Hell, they might even throw in Pedro Alvarez to seal the deal!!!)

Werth, on the other hand, does have value and could fetch some decent return it seems to me.

There's problems in Philly.  That team needs another good arm.  It looks like Oswalt wouldn't want to play there, and Haren is having a poor season and has a history of 2nd half letdowns.  Philly should never have traded Cliff Lee, it seems to me.  Halladay and Lee would look pretty good at the top of the Philly rotation.



Since: Dec 23, 2006
Posted on: July 22, 2010 10:09 am
 

Phillies seek pitcher, focusing on Oswalt, Haren

Have you written the same thing to homer Phillies fans who do and say the same type of things?  Probably not.  Right?  It's funny how Phillies fans love to deal it out when they are in first, but when they are 7 games back and their team is garbage...they get very testy.

Interesting.



Since: Sep 9, 2008
Posted on: July 22, 2010 10:09 am
 

Phillies seek pitcher, focusing on Oswalt, Haren

THE TRUTH (horrible name for someone that can't read and comprehend a post) - I would really like you to re-read my post. I said to trade Ibanez but I also said make it a salary dump (definition of salary dump is trade guy for nothing) or agree to pay Ibanez's salary which would then give him worth but only low level prospects. On top of that idiotic statement, you start off by saying how starting pitching is the last thing the phillies need, but say how horrible the pitching has been. Make up your mind and make a point. Oh, and Howard is having a pretty good season. Check the stats.  Overall, your rebuttal post was a complete bust.



Since: Feb 28, 2008
Posted on: July 22, 2010 9:12 am
 

Phillies seek pitcher, focusing on Oswalt, Haren

Some of your points are valid, and some are completely off the wall. To start, I will agree that the Phillies have a lot of issues. They have been bit by the injury bug all season. Their pitching injuries included J A Happ, Joe Blanton, Ryan Madson, JC Romero, and Brad Lidge. Offensively they had injuries to Jimmy Rollins, Placido Polanco, Chase Utley, and Carlos Ruiz. I am not blaming everything on injuries since all teams go through this and it's part of the game, but they have been hit pretty hard this year. Personally, I question their desire to get to the World Series again since being there two years in a row.

Pitching: Doc had 2 bad games all season. All of the other games he received no run support. Doc is not our problem, it's our offense. Cole Hammels has been pitching better. He is typical Hammels, pitching well then giving up a couple homers. Agree that their bull pen is not doing well, but with a sputtering offense, that really doesn't matter. There have not been many games lost by the bull pen.

Offense: Agree that Ibanez is not going anywhere. He had a great first half of a season last year until he got hurt. Since then, he has never been the same. He is not going anywhere because no team will eat his salary. Jayson Werth on the other hand will be traded by the deadline and we will see what Domonic Brown has to offer. Howard is not putting up his typical numbers so far. He always heats up the second half of the season and has hit several HR's since the all star break. He is doing something this year that he usually doesn't. He is hitting for average. Utley won't be back until late August. Unless the Phillies turn it around quick, it won't make a difference by then.

I am not going to bash the Braves. They are in first place and deserve to be there. The Braves have been playing good ball this season. They have a commanding lead right now. Can they maintain that for the rest of the season? We will see.



Since: Aug 11, 2006
Posted on: July 22, 2010 9:05 am
 

Phillies seek pitcher, focusing on Oswalt, Haren

Order has been restored. Braves in 1<sup>st</sup>. Good couple years philly now back in line for the next 14 years.




Since: May 22, 2007
Posted on: July 22, 2010 7:43 am
 

Phillies seek pitcher, focusing on Oswalt, Haren

Well, I haven't seen too many Phillies games this year, but I think trading Jayson Werth is a huge mistake. Does anyone read the box scores? The Phillies are consistently getting 4 or 5 or 6 hits a game. They aren't scoring any runs, and with Chase Utley out for a long stretch, I can't imagine them not needing Werth. If you look at their hitting, the whole team seems to be slumping. Why don't they play a little small ball? They have good speed.

They have Raul Ibanez hitting third...why? They should consider hitting Jimmy Rollins first, Shane Victorino 2nd and Placido Polanco third, followed by Ryan Howard, Werth and Ibanez. Trade Ibanez, and put him in the package, not Werth...I heard someone say bring up Dominic Brown...that sounds good, sure couldn't hurt our run production.

If a trade were to be made for a pitcher, I would certainly take Diamondbacks Dan Haren over Astros Roy Oswalt...the Phillies would have to eat some of Oswalt's 16 million dollar for the Astros to bite. Besides, Haren is younger and has a much smaller salary. Not sure I like the idea of trading J.A. Happ...he's one of the few decent oung pitchers the Phillies have.


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