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Manager of the Year (except October), Part III

Posted on: November 17, 2010 4:32 pm
Congratulations to Bud Black and Ron Gardenhire, deserving winners of the Manager of the Year awards.

Now, for the third straight year:

The system needs changing.

In the current baseball world, the world of a three-tiered playoff system, managers of top teams are judged at least as much by what they do in October as by what they do for the six months before October. And yet, the Baseball Writers Association of America still decides the Manager of the Year awards based only on the regular season.

It's possible that Black still wins in the National League, because keeping that Padres team alive in the playoff fight until the very last day of the season was hugely impressive. But don't you think Bruce Bochy, who finished a distant third in the voting (behind Black and Dusty Baker) gets strong consideration to win it if you include October.

Simple question: Of all the managers in the National League, who had the best season (including the postseason)? It may well have been Bochy.

As for the American League, Gardenhire was a fairly close winner over Ron Washington, which was just about right if you include the regular season only. Gardenhire's Twins lost closer Joe Nathan in spring training, and they won 94 games, third in the AL behind the Rays and Yankees.

Add in the postseason, though, and I'll guarantee you that award goes the other way. Gardenhire's Twins had yet another first-round disappointment against the Yankees, while Washington pulled the Rangers past both of the AL East powerhouses.

Black and Gardenhire had outstanding years. Bochy and Washington were better.

The system, as of now, doesn't allow us to recognize that.


Since: May 17, 2007
Posted on: November 18, 2010 1:47 pm

Manager of the Year (except October), Part III

Spot on dennis, about Bochy, IMHO. I followed the Reds all year and not once did I see any evidence Baker earned any MOY consideration. He made the pieces work but there was no magic there. Just guys playing good ball. As for Black, agreed, his team crumbled. Maybe they did better than expected but when the expectations are set by the people who later judge them, what's that worth?

If the experts say the Padres are awful and by year's end, they aren't, then they can say "wow the experts were wrong." The baseball scribes did exactly THAT with San Diego.

And now they continue to marvel at Gardenhire's wizardry with a "small" payroll in a division that is lucky to have 40 true MLB quality players on the remaining 4 teams.

Bochy is also living inside a created myth by the ESPN radio mouthpieces that he touched all the right buttons.

The whole notion of a MOY is so ... retarded. Who cares? It's like seeing your sister in the nude.

Since: Dec 18, 2006
Posted on: November 18, 2010 1:34 pm

Manager of the Year (except October), Part III

I rarely ever get involved in these discussion forums, but there's something else I tink Knobler is missing here. Let's, for the sake of argument, throw out the postseason and do it the way it is done now: based solely on regular season performance. The NL Manager of the Year award was given to a coach who, yes, kept his team in contention, but also gave up a pretty sizable division lead in August and September. To reiterate: his team collapsed down the stretch. Conversely, Bochy struck all the right chords during this stretch. Over the course of the season he started something like 126 different lineup combinations and seemed to get the most out of them. Couple that with the fact that when Brian Sabean started giving him new pieces to add to the puzzle, he found a way to make them fit within the framework of his existing lineup. I'm having trouble seeing how the baseball writers could overlook a guy who won probably the most hotly contested division in the NL this year. At any point in time, four teams were within arms-reach of the division lead. For much of the season, two teams from the west were always in contention for the wild-card. And the if the division leader would falter at any point, they would simply be in line for the wild-card as well. This fact, in itself, makes the winner of that division the coach of the year. I could probably go on and on by looking up stats that support my point. But for now, I'll just stick with my opinion. By the way, my voting would have been:

1. Bochy
2. Manuel
3. Baker

But that's just my opinion...I could be wrong.

Since: Nov 30, 2007
Posted on: November 18, 2010 1:13 pm

Manager of the Year (except October), Part III

It shall now be called "Manager of the regular season who had the most wins with the lowest payroll" award.  Fixed.

Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: November 18, 2010 1:02 pm

Manager of the Year (except October), Part III

It's the Manager of the YEAR award. The year doesn't end after the regular season. Ron Washington was robbed. He only took the Rangers to the World Series for the first time.

Since: May 17, 2007
Posted on: November 18, 2010 11:54 am

Manager of the Year (except October), Part III

Putting Minnesota into some context:
They played in YES -- no matter what anybody says -- THE LAMEST DIVISION in baseball, the AL-C.

So all the Twins had to do in September was pound down on the White Sox, which they did because the Sox were clearly a .500 team in disguise. Detroit gave up in June, mainly after mailing it in to the ... ta-dah! White Sox. (Yeah, yeah ... I know about injuries. All teams have them, even the Twins.)

Now this does not mean Gardenhire hasn't assembled a good team and a team that wins the games it needs to win.
But the 94 victories comes in larger part against a terribly shabby Central Division.
That ain't Minnesota's fault but I hear on and on and on from some on these boards about who did or didn't play tough schedules.
The AL-C offers a lot of breathing space for the Twins.

And I don't see much evidence that is going to change this year.

And spare me the "small market" argument.

Since: Nov 13, 2008
Posted on: November 18, 2010 11:48 am

Manager of the Year (except October), Part III

Earl Weaver never won manager of the year, nuff said!!!

Since: Jun 17, 2008
Posted on: November 18, 2010 10:34 am

Manager of the Year (except October), Part III

Beerman -- you need to do some basic research before making comments. As a Giants fan, I check out where the predictors suggest, at the beginning of the season, how well the Giants might do.

In 2010 Spring Training, nobody was picking San Francisco first in the West. Some people picked them last in the West. A few sports writers & prognosticators picked them to finish 3rd behind the Dodgers and the Rockies. But the majority had the Giants 4th, trailed only by the D-Backs.

Just to say the Giants were favored doesn't make it so.

Since: Nov 30, 2007
Posted on: November 18, 2010 10:27 am

Manager of the Year (except October), Part III

His logic was not that they should win just because of the World Series.  you are twisting the whole point.  The point was Bochy and Washington led their teams to a series of upsets in the postseason and got a lot out of their teams.  Now for whoever said the Giants were favored to win the division, I would like to see the article, because everything i was reading had the Rockies pegged for the win. 

Anyways, manager of the year doesnt really matter much anyways.  Bochy in all reality was manager of the year because he won the world series.  He doesnt need a stupid award sitting on his counter for him to remember this year.

Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: November 17, 2010 8:27 pm

Manager of the Year (except October), Part III

Sorry, Knobler, it's a regular season award. The postseason should play no role in deciding who gets it.

Since: Jan 11, 2009
Posted on: November 17, 2010 7:58 pm

Manager of the Year (except October), Part III

Also, Gardenhire is a better manager than Washington, and had the Twins had Cliff Lee, they too would have been in the World Series.

Haha...did you see how the rest of our pitching staff (more specifically our bullpen) performed? We would've won one game, that is unless Cliff Lee could've pitched every inning of every game.

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