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Manager of the Year (except October), Part III

Posted on: November 17, 2010 4:32 pm
 
Congratulations to Bud Black and Ron Gardenhire, deserving winners of the Manager of the Year awards.

Now, for the third straight year:

The system needs changing.

In the current baseball world, the world of a three-tiered playoff system, managers of top teams are judged at least as much by what they do in October as by what they do for the six months before October. And yet, the Baseball Writers Association of America still decides the Manager of the Year awards based only on the regular season.

It's possible that Black still wins in the National League, because keeping that Padres team alive in the playoff fight until the very last day of the season was hugely impressive. But don't you think Bruce Bochy, who finished a distant third in the voting (behind Black and Dusty Baker) gets strong consideration to win it if you include October.

Simple question: Of all the managers in the National League, who had the best season (including the postseason)? It may well have been Bochy.

As for the American League, Gardenhire was a fairly close winner over Ron Washington, which was just about right if you include the regular season only. Gardenhire's Twins lost closer Joe Nathan in spring training, and they won 94 games, third in the AL behind the Rays and Yankees.

Add in the postseason, though, and I'll guarantee you that award goes the other way. Gardenhire's Twins had yet another first-round disappointment against the Yankees, while Washington pulled the Rangers past both of the AL East powerhouses.

Black and Gardenhire had outstanding years. Bochy and Washington were better.

The system, as of now, doesn't allow us to recognize that.

Comments

Since: Sep 25, 2006
Posted on: November 17, 2010 7:43 pm
 

Manager of the Year (except October), Part III

You can't simply "factor in" October baseball for an award like this because October baseball is all that really matters for winning teams.  What happens in October automatically renders the regular season moot for the playoff teams, and the only way to measure success in the postseason is by winning series.  Thus, if we include playoff baseball in the voting, the vast majority of winners will be the World Series managers.

Also, Gardenhire is a better manager than Washington, and had the Twins had Cliff Lee, they too would have been in the World Series.



Since: Mar 2, 2008
Posted on: November 17, 2010 7:43 pm
 

Manager of the Year (except October), Part III

Yeah.  So someone is looking for some attention with this article.

His name is apparently Danny.  Put two & two together,



Since: Aug 31, 2006
Posted on: November 17, 2010 7:30 pm
 

Manager of the Year (except October), Part III

Giving the award to the WS managers from this season is a major exception to the general (ludicrous) idea of giving it to the WS managers every year. Who, at any point in the season up to and including the divisional series (and beyond?), expected either of these teams to be the contenders? They weren't superstar loaded...it was two teams playing baseball, and playing the way their managers told them. Both Wash and Bochy would've been well-deserving. Giving them the awards would be nothing like, say, doing so to last year's WS managers.



Since: Jan 11, 2009
Posted on: November 17, 2010 7:20 pm
 

Manager of the Year (except October), Part III

So basically the manager with the hottest team in October should always win?  Following your logic the manager of the year award should just be given to the managers of the World Series teams.

Is that what Knobler said? No. I agree with Danny here....manager of the year should be based not only on the regular season, but also when it matters MOST, the post-season. Sure Gardy can win in the regular season....but he hasn't so much as won ONE game in the post-season since 2004, which is breathtaking...and says something.




Since: Nov 30, 2007
Posted on: November 17, 2010 7:15 pm
 

Manager of the Year (except October), Part III

Twins fan agrees.  It is nice, however, that Gardenhire won't be the Jerry Sloan of MLB and never get the award due to being consistently solid.
..harder to exceed expectations when you're expected to be great every year.  That said, especially including the playoffs, Ron Washington probably deserved the award this year.  The point about having Cliff Lee barely applied to the regular season though as the Rangers got him at the deadline and he was then hurt and missed a few starts.  His big value came in the playoffs, which this award does not judge.



Since: Nov 23, 2008
Posted on: November 17, 2010 6:33 pm
 

Manager of the Year (except October), Part III

Where do you come off saying this? Gardy dealt with no ace pitchers.....Rangers had Cliff Lee, it has to be pretty nice for a manager to have an ace for the playoffs....plus morneau getting hurt before the All-Star break and the twins still make it to the playoffs and win 94 games....i think Gardy was the right choice...you cant just include the playoffs because the winner of the world series will always win the award for "guiding" there team to the world series



Since: Nov 3, 2006
Posted on: November 17, 2010 5:44 pm
 

Manager of the Year (except October), Part III

Bochy led a Giants team that was favored to win the division to a title with his 2 time CY Young winner and 2nd tier ace and all star closer.
Actually, by and far the Rockies were the favorites.



Since: Nov 3, 2006
Posted on: November 17, 2010 5:43 pm
 

Manager of the Year (except October), Part III

The past few years, managers have been selected over Charlie Manuel for various reasons.  Pinella won in it in 2008 with the best record in baseball.  Tracy for the Rockies won it last year for bringing that team back and making it to the playoffs.  Those are two good examples, but I could go back a couple years more, but I won't get into it.

The point I'm trying to make is that Manuel did everything a manager could do well this year, including having the best record in baseball, and bringing his team back to make the playoffs.  And yet, was still overlooked, again.  Bud Black did a hell of a job and deserves it.  I just think Manuel deserves it more.  What else can a manager do?  No manager in baseball has done a better job than him the past 4 years.



Since: Dec 4, 2006
Posted on: November 17, 2010 5:23 pm
 

Manager of the Year (except October), Part III

It is a regular season award, just like the MVP and Cy Young. There is a World Series MVP award, but having such an award for managers would be moot because there is only one winning manager when it's all said and done.



Since: Aug 12, 2010
Posted on: November 17, 2010 5:22 pm
 

Manager of the Year (except October), Part III

One of the Fox Broadcasters said that it appeared every move Bochy made was working perfectly and Joe Buck and Tim McCarver are the two broadcasters who were against the Giants before the season started. Bochy had to deal with misfits. For the Padres all it was is if you start, pitch 5 innings and then the bullpen threw the rest. Blacks Bullpen was shot by September and that's when their decline happened. Bochy didn't randomly decide to limit Bumgarners pitch count. Black limited Latos pitch count, which was the dumbest thing done all season. That like limiting Cain's Pitch count, you don't limit your aces pitch count


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