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Brewers could win (and this time I mean it)

Posted on: December 20, 2010 5:22 pm
Don't ask me if the Zack Greinke trade makes the Brewers the favorite to win the National League Central.

I'm the idiot that picked the Brewers to win the Central last year.

So yeah, if you take the flawed team that I thought could win, then add Greinke and Shaun Marcum, I'm ready to pick the Brewers again.

This time, I won't be alone. This time, I might even be right.

"I think Cincinnati's much better than St. Louis," one veteran National League executive said today. "And I think Milwaukee's better than Cincinnati."

That opinion isn't near unanimous among baseball people. A quick survey of scouts and executives had quite a few favoring the Reds to repeat, and some even suggesting that the Cubs could win, if their young players develop.

But not surprisingly, every scout I talked to thought that the twin trades for pitching make the Brewers into a team that could win.

"I think they're a legitimate contender," one American League scout said. "I really think Marcum will solidify their rotation. He'll go out and give them seven innings basically every time out. He's a lot like Bronson Arroyo, coming over from the American League."

Arroyo came to the Reds in 2006, coming off a season where he went 14-10 with a 4.51 ERA for the Red Sox. He's 70-60 in five years with the Reds, with a combined ERA of 3.97.

This past year, when the Reds won the Central, Arroyo went 17-10.

Marcum, who was the Blue Jays' opening day starter in 2010, went 13-8 with a 3.64 ERA. Getting out of the AL East could help; he was 1-6 with a 5.64 ERA in 10 starts against the Rays, Red Sox and Yankees, and 12-2 with a 2.72 ERA in 21 starts against everyone else.

Coming to the Brewers should also help Greinke, even though Miller Park is much less favorable to pitchers than Kansas City's Kauffman Stadium. Greinke sometimes seemed disinterested in pitching for the sad-sack Royals in 2010, and in an interview today with the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel , he admitted that he waived his no-trade clause to accept the deal with the Brewers because he was convinced that Milwaukee is now trying to win.

"Greinke can win in any park, if he wants to," one scout said. "He's a No. 1, if he wants to be. On good days, right-handed hitters don't have a chance against him, and lefties don't have much of a chance, either."

With Greinke and Marcum, the Brewers now have a real chance.

Take it from me . . . and from a few guys who were smart enough not to pick them to win in 2010.

Since: Sep 7, 2008
Posted on: December 21, 2010 11:41 am

Brewers could win (and this time I mean it)

Here is a giant middle finger and FU to Greinke.  I don't mind the Brewers, nice park small market team like my Royals albeit a much better team right now than us.  However, I would like to take a moment to vent and say again FU Greinke.  KC stood by you when you had your mental breakdown how many teams would do that?  It was clear he had some talent back then but really he forced our hand.  HTF could KC surround him with talent when for almost two years KC didn't know whether he'd come back or not he quit back then and he quit on KC last season which is effing garbage.  I promise you Brew fans I would not TRUST him in a high pressure playoff game.  I'm serious, he still has major mental issues, and is about as sharp as a marble. Listen to him interview one time.  Yes he has all the talent in the world and with a much better offense I'm sure he wins at least 15 games next year but I wanna see him  in a high pressure playoff game and how he responds.  Just pisses me off to no end that he openly admits to quitting on KC last year to me that is red flag. 

Since: Nov 25, 2008
Posted on: December 21, 2010 10:14 am

Brewers could win (and this time I mean it)

It's exciting to begin the season with such a potentially great rotation, for once.  It was hard at first to have to accept giving up Cain, Escobar, and 2 top pitching prospects, but after considering it for a couple of days now, I have to believe that it was certainly worth the risk to make a push for the playoffs again.  However, it's disheartening to see the hole in CF; I don't have faith in Gomez as an everday player, mostly because of his offensive production.  Second, this all has the feeling of a big last gasp before Fielder leaves either via trade or free agency, perhaps building this team for just a one-year shot at greatness. 

Since: May 15, 2007
Posted on: December 21, 2010 9:41 am

Brewers could win (and this time I mean it)

Something went way off for them last year.

That something is the fact that Walt J. now does the GM job in Cincy and not in the StL anymore. That combined with the Reds youth and talent should keep this a three teams race.

Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: December 21, 2010 9:18 am

Brewers could win (and this time I mean it)

The trade allbeit a very exciting thing for me being a Brewers fan leaves me with a few questions. Hopefully Yuniesky Betancourt can answer some of them as I do not know much about him just his stat lines. I am pretty excited about the rotation as we no longer have to hold our breath as we had to watch a 3 day stretch of Suppan, Davis, and Bush, Narveson, or Parra after Gallardo and Wolf. The accquisitions will make Wolf a more effective pitcher for the Brewers this year as he will be facing #4 pitcher most likely. My questions lie in the defense of Betancourt and finding a hitting coach that can harness all our free swingers energy. According to his stats Betancourt will fit fine into our free swinging ways if they continue. I hope that Ron Roenicke does get aggresive but in the way that we finally take Weeks out of the lead off spot and find someone who can hit around .300 and take walks to get on base. Hope they can miraculously teach Carlos Gomez plate discipline to also get on base in front of the power guys. And now what is the asking price for Prince if we do end up dealing him at the deadline???? I would guess we will be looking for major league ready talent at CF and SS. Gamel most likely will end up at 1B once Prince is gone. I would love to let my mind wander and dream of a perfect world where we are on cruise control winning all the games we should be and giving the elites a run for their money. Barring injuries I am very excited to see what this team can do like many Brewer fans. The race should be tight between the Brewers, Reds, and Cards this year. Reds have youth and a ton of talent. Cards have experience and proven winners there. The Brewers edge to me is the valuable mix of old and young players. I look forward to a 3 game set against the Phillies With Halladay, Lee, and Oswalt against Gallardo, Greinke, and Marcum. Will be exciting to watch and runs will be at a premium if it happens. I may be biased towards my Brewers but I am realistic as to not hand them the division I think each of the top three teams in the division are capable of 89-92 wins and will make for a fun September this year if all holds true. Sorry Cubs, Astros, and Pirates better luck in 2012 in the division.

Since: Apr 13, 2007
Posted on: December 21, 2010 9:10 am

Brewers could win (and this time I mean it)

Eh, I don't know.  I don't think there's really anybody in the KC package that Milwaukee will rue losing when compared to two years of Zack Greinke in his mid-late twenties.  I still like Alcides Escobar some, but I think most of his value will ultimately be on the defensive side.  I think Brett Lawrie (who went to Toronto for Shaun Marcum) could be a pretty good hitter (maybe a Dan Uggla type with a higher OBP & slightly less raw power) but he is likely to end up at 3b or in a corner outfield spot where Milwaukee has readymade options already.  Even if Lawrie is able to stick at 2b, Rickie Weeks is there for the Brewers. 

I like the move for Milwaukee who I think now has the second best 'top 3' in the NL behind Philadelphia. 

Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: December 21, 2010 9:09 am

Brewers could win (and this time I mean it)

I most likely will pick the Cardinals to win the Central. Something went way off for them last year. I know the Reds are a young and talented team, but they just are not there yet. The Brewers are a couple stars away. I give them 3-4 years before they can compete. This means they need to resign Marcum, Greinke, and Fielder and add a couple more players.

Since: Jan 28, 2008
Posted on: December 21, 2010 8:49 am

Brewers could win (and this time I mean it)

"...and some even suggesting that the could win, if their young players develop."

With the bats the Brewers and the Reds have the Cubs have no where near the picthing to keep this teams under 8 runs a game.

Since: May 15, 2007
Posted on: December 21, 2010 8:39 am

Brewers could win (and this time I mean it)

"our youngsters like John Jay and Colby Rasmus will be older".


 So are we to assume that other teams' youngsters don't get older? You ask a fair question about Votto, but it is not like you couldn't see his numbers coming. He started out good and got better every year so I would say that, yes,  he will keep producing. Now let's get back to the youngster thing. The Reds roster is littered with youg players all over the diamond and on the mound. The only position players that start and are 30 or above are Rolen, Hernandez, and Gomes. The only starting pitcher is Arroyo, and while Rhodes and Cordero are both up in years there are replacements for them on the way. So I will take my chances with this group of youngsters Stubbs(26), Cueto(24), Bailey(24), Chapman(22), Volquez(27), Leake(23), Wood(23), and Bruce(23). That isn't even counting Phillips(29) playing a gold glove caliber second base.

"We also have two horses in Adam Wainwright and Chris Carpenter"

I am well aware of this fact, and know the Reds lack a true number 1 stopper type at the top of the rotation. I am also well aware that Carpenter has injury history and the Cards struggle when he goes down. While I would love a no brainer #1 guy I am very happy with the depth and quality on the Red's rotation. As you saw last year when one guy got hurt they plugged in another. Leake hit the wall (after not playing one inning of minor league ball ever), and they threw Wood out who did very well. Then it was Lecure, then Volquez came back and so on and so forth.

The bottom line is that it should be a great three horse race, but anything can happen.

Since: Jan 29, 2007
Posted on: December 21, 2010 7:13 am

Brewers could win (and this time I mean it)

it takes the pressure of gallardo and matches him against the #3 pitcher wow very good rotation however the bullpen still blows and there hitting is all or none they still have holes

Since: Jan 15, 2008
Posted on: December 21, 2010 5:39 am

Brewers could win (and this time I mean it)

I don't know if the acqusition of these 2 pitchers are enough to get the Brewers over the hump.. One thing for sure though, their fans have every reason in the world to actually be excited about a legitamate starting rotation.

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